Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

Source: Telegraph

A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from the Jewish for "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

A London-based expert on Iranian Jewry said that "jian" ending to the name specifically showed the family had been practising Jews.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6256173/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-revealed-to-have-Jewish-past.html

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I dont think you could have made this up!

:shrug:

Saborjian means "carpet weaver" in Farsi. This claim is simply an attempt to de-legitimize Ahmadinejad, the same way enemies of Hitler used to claim he had a Jewish grandfather. Both claims are nonsense.

mother, a servant in a rich Jewish house.

she was impregnated by her employer. that's a reflection of a sad lack of logic.

I thought for sure Judaism was a religion, a culture and maybe a way of life but not a race. It was my impression that you had to become a Jew even if you were from a Jewish family, just like any other religion you have to accept the precepts as an adult to actually be a member. I actually know very little about this religion, am I wrong?

Under Nazi Doctrine even Jews who Converted were subject to extermination. For example many Jews in Eastern Europe underwent "Conversions" in the period between 1939 and 1941 (Through even the Catholic Church that did these conversions did NOT view them as true conversions given the intense antisemitic policies of the Nazis) but by 1941 it had become clear that such conversions did NOT matter to the Nazis and they came to an end.

The Nuremberg Laws (The Nazi laws on who was and was NOT a Jew) defined Judaism on strictly racial lines. If one of your Grandfather or Grandmother had been Jewish, you were a Jew. When it came to the Camps even more strict rules came to be applied (Through, to my knowledge, never the one drop of black blood that defined a person as being black that was the rule in the American South).

Just to point out that as far as the Nazi were concern this an issue of RACIAL purity NOT one of religion.

More on the Nuremberg Laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws

Nazism and Race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_race

And Hitler laughed about it, he said the story in his family was his great-grandfather black mailed the Jewish family about the pregnancy of his grandmother. In fear that they be ACCUSED of impregnating the girl the Jewish family paid hush money to his great grandfather (and his grandmother). His grandmother had been impregnated by someone else but the Jewish family so fear being ACCUSED (Remember we are talking early to mid 1800s here) that paying Hitler's family off was viewed, by the Jewish family, as the best decision given two bad outcomes (i.e. either a Scandal involving NOT only a "Christian" servant but abuse of an employee by her employer OR paying her off).

Please also note Hitler had other "Ghosts" in his family closet including how his family changed their name so their could claim to be the legitimate descendant of an ancestor so they could get an inheritance (this was tied in with his Grandmother's pregnancy). Under Hitler's raise to power these were all minor problems. As I said even Hitler laughed about them. "Prue" German ancestry only started to become a serious factor with the raise of Himmler and his SS AFTER Hitler was in power (and may have become a factor IF peace ever occurred after 1940 given the internal NAZI Party politics).

There seem to be some reports that question Hitler's "German" heritage but these are either part of the opposition to Hitler in the late 1920s and early 1930s OR part of the raise of the SS during the late 1930s and WWII. All minor at the time but of increasing concern as the Nazis went from being verbal enemies of the Jews (The case in the early 1930s) to overt hostility (mid 1930s) to the death camps (Only after 1939 when foreign opinion was no longer a factor restricting Anti-Jewish action AND the internal politics of the Nazi party started to emphasis Antisemitic actions instead of anti-Communist and pro-corporate actions).

and only the part about his family name previously being Sabourjian and therefore Jewish is nonsense?

As millions of young Iranians learn of this via twitter, things could get interesting.

also just happens to be an Armenian family name ending.

Sometimes you just can't make this shit up.

"Abrahamian" is an obvious example but there are others.

control Persia in years past.

I found my surname on a village in Iran. I'm still looking for proof that my name is indeed Armenian. The earliest record is from Prussia in 1628. That is probably a result of one of the many migrations out of Armenia and into Europe. Another reference is of a "Tartar" in Siberia with our surname but with Muslim first and middle name. Grandpa played the Oud.

Not quite truth, not quite lies.

Spread it about to foment dissent, watch for results.

This information has actually been on Middle Eastern websites for quite awhile.

that specializes in stories with emotional appeal but often little or no accuracy

whatever this man is, he's an asshole for sure, and gives other assholes in Israel to an excuse to fan more flames or war.

It will be hard for some Jews to accept this but it is indeed the case.

if all of this is true. He's a Muslim, though, not a Jew.

He aso always looks high and like he's goofing on the whole thing.

Is Erin the Gaelic spelling of Iran?

Is Ahmedinejad producing anti-Jewish laws inside Iran?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

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One of the key points is the distinction made between "Jews" and "Zionists." It is also interesting to see that (a) Iranian Jews can travel to and from Israel to visit their relatives there and (b) Iran's government under MA has actually contributed money towards Jewish schools, or at least one of them.
MA (whom I certainly don't admire, btw) may "quack" like an "anti-Semite" but he doesn't act like one in other ways, at least insofar as his own people are concerned.
Keep the facts out there.