WH: Public Option Preferred, Not Required. "Mr. Obama, do you want to keep most of the country

still pulling for you? THEN DON'T BREAK YOUR WORD. A HEALTH CARE "REFORM" BILL THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PU8LIC OPTION, IS NOT REAL REFORM. DID YOU THINK YOU WERE GOING TO FOOL ANYBODY ON THIS?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/19/politics/main5396760.shtml

(AP) The White House is waiting for Congress to settle on a final health care bill, even though President Barack Obama has a clear preference in favor of at least one specific - the much-debated public option, advisers said.

Obama, however, will not demand that legislation include a government-run insurance plan intended to drive down costs through competition with private insurers, they said.

Instead, the White House will let Congress work out the details required to get something passed.

"There will be compromise. There will be legislation, and it will achieve our goals: helping people who have insurance get more security, more accountability for the insurance industry, helping people who don't have insurance get insurance they can afford, and lowering the overall cost of the system," presidential adviser David Axelrod said.
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Attention Mr. Obama: There is NO REFORM WITHOUT A PUBLIC OPTION.

To the Congress: NO DEMOCRAT SHOULD VOTE TO SUBSIDIZE INSURANCE COMPANIES WITHOUT A PUBLLIC OPTION.

WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER WALL STREET BAILOUT. WITHOUT COST CONTROLS THERE CAN BE NO PUBLIC MONEY GIVEN TO FOR-PROFIT INSURANCE COMPANIES. THIS IS NOT HEALTH CARE REFORM. IT IS OPEN-ENDED PROFIT SUPPORT FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.

ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU THAT SOCIALISM FOR CORPORATIONS IS A REPUBLICAN POLICY. IT WON'T WORK AND IT WILL MAKE THE PUBLIC WRITE YOU OFF AS, HOW SHALL I PUT THIS: A LIAR AND A CON-MAN (IN OTHER WORDS, A REPULICAN).

IF YOU ARE LOSING THE CAJONES TO FIGHT FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO HILLARY. MAYBE SHE CAN GIVE YOU SOME OF HERS.

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But you already knew that.

Both branches have said there will be a PO, and Obama has said he will not sign a bill without one.

is not really reform either.

Most of this health care debate has stopped making sense to me. Want to save money? Get rid of the insurance companies who jack up the price of health care. Want to make sure people are not taken advantage of? Cover everyone under a national plan in which they can never be dropped or denied and the motive is for wellness not profit.

they must not know what they are talking about. http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20091019_Aides_say_Obama_may_sign_bill_without_a_public_option.html

would (I think now) cause gridlock. Good point, well taken!

party he also has to be a gladiator. but what did he expect, butterflies and buttercups?

"Obama, however, will not demand that legislation include a government-run insurance plan intended to drive down costs through competition with private insurers, they said."


When dealing with Corporate Lobbyists (REpublicans) that's like saying: "I'd rather you didn't pick my pocket, but if you did I won't do anything about it." Any guess as to what's gonna happen?

Specifically Maine can YELL at Snowe and Collins. And Montana can YELL at Baucus. And North Dakota can YELL at Conrad.

THAT is how we will get the public option. Target the right people.

The rest of the time we can go pound salt.

Which is why big money and Republicans always win in the long run. They never stop, NEVER. We whine and quit, repeatedly.

supposed to represent. (suggestion , tell them you will contribute to MOVEON.org to pay for campaign ads against them in next election if they don't vote FOR PO.)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x486359">List of Blue Dogs

Call your neighbors and suggest they join the fight FOR the public option.

It is not necessary to ALWAYS use threats to make a point. They tend to backfire anyway.

"IF YOU ARE LOSING THE CAJONES TO FIGHT FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO HILLARY. MAYBE SHE CAN GIVE YOU SOME OF HERS."

Arrrggghhhh, mental image, mental image, erase, delete!!!



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:rofl:

How long before they convince themselves she's the peace queen. :eyes:

I wonder if people would be livid and up in arms about this insurance industry bailout/massive transfer of wealth to the corporations at the expense of struggling working people, if this were taking place under a republican president.

and will come down for the public option at the last possible moment, preferably when it lands on his desk. It annoys us a lot, but it is probably the right way to do it.

A strong PO and real HCR.

Obama, however, will not demand that legislation include a government-run insurance plan

That Obama doesn't want a PO. None.

When you are dealing with people who are obdurate opponents of a Public Option, saying something like:

"Obama, however, will not demand that legislation include a government-run insurance plan intended to drive down costs through competition with private insurers"

That's like inviting them to drive over you. You don't win against corporate power and Republicans by saying... 'well, I wouldn't stop you if you shot me.'

6,000 lobbyists are on the Hill to KILL Health Care reform. You have to stand against them and NOT send EQUIVOCAL messages. THAT JUST ENCOURAGES THOSE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO HEALTH CARE REFORM.

TALKING THIS WAY UNDERMINES THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS WHO SAY THEY WON'T VOTE FOR A BILL THAT DOENS'T HAVE A PUBLIC OPTION IN IT.


But if people stand by when they make statements like that without telling them (i.e. with emails and phone-calls) they do NOT agree that the Public Option is expendible then, you can count on it. We won't see it.

2) That quote doesn't say the President is against the PO in any way.
3) I'm not sure you understand how our governemnt works. The President isn't a dictator.

Republican lobbyists have said and shown they adamantly oppose.

You're accusation is meant to vilify someone for believing strongly enough in something to fight for it. The WH's statement that he is willing to consider something other than a public option could be construed as a signal he is not prepared to stand and fight for what is right. (I don't however, think this is true. I think he wants Congress to come up with the bill they want. What I demand of him is that he not stay out of the fray but fight for what he said he would fight for in his campaign - a Public Option. Presidents have historically worked for, cajoled, lobbied for the programs they have wanted. You are using a propaganda technique in declaring that staking out a position - for a program - is to be "dictator".)

Don't ever say that a president believing in something strongly enough to campaign for it during the legislative process is being a dictator. IT's not only patently false it's offensive. Any president has the right to fight for what he believes in without being vilified as a dictator.

It's also a flagrantly false assertion based on the fact that http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x487911">61% of the population is for the P.O. (31% opposed).

So what. The question is whether he is going to demand a PO. Is he going to sign a bill without one and say "I want a PO and I will work for one in the future"?

Patience... even Rockefeller said it would be in the final bill.


They know damn well it will cost them their political lives if we do not get it.

"They know damn well it will cost them their political lives if we do not get it.", with 6,000 lobbyists (not counting the Republicans in Congress) out to kill the PO, this they need to be reminded of.

Don't assume anything.

for their dishonest report?

he thought he had it "made"....<>

That's disgusting.

email the president, email Senators and Representatives. If you don't it's lost.

They know the score.


If it ends bad I stand with you.

It has not ended yet...

I assume even the elite care for their kids.

I assume some of them have brains. Like a certain Mr Soros.

I assume once enough people are living in tents under bridges ..well... time to make your own assumptions.

Hell if I know. I just got born here.

BREAK YOUR WORD

You said last year - CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.

You said last year that your Administration would not stand for Business in Washington as usual.

Several years ago, when you were running for your Senate Seat, you stated that all it would take for us to have Single Payer Universal Health Care was to have majorities in both Houses and a Democrat in the White House.

Please show us some determination and deliver us the sort of legislation that we deserve, that FDR would have insisted upon, that Teddy Kennedy would have insisted upon. That even LBJ would have insisted upon.

{i]"There will be compromise. There will be legislation, and it will achieve our goals: helping people who have insurance get more security, more accountability for the insurance industry, helping people who don't have insurance get insurance they can afford, and lowering the overall cost of the system," presidential adviser David Axelrod said.

Sounds like those of us with overpriced coverage already are going to get screwed so that a few more needy people can get coverage. If so, that's it for me supporting Dems until they rearrange their priorities.

No public option means Obama and the Dems will lose a great many of the 60,000,000 that voted for, donated to, and worked for them last year.

"No public option means Obama and the Dems will lose a great many of the 60,000,000 that voted for, donated to, and worked for them last year."

I hope others (in very great numbers) will call and email with same msg.

It ain't over till it's over.

Never say die.

Just allow voluntary buy-in to Medicare.