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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:18 AM
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How The Wall Came Down (Reagan had nothing to do with it)



How Poland and Hungary Led the Way in 1989

By Walter Mayr, Christian Neef and Jan Puhl

Everyone remembers the iconic images from the dramatic breaching of the Berlin Wall on Nov. 9, 1989. But the groundwork was laid elsewhere. The fate of Germany and the rest of Europe was decided in Warsaw, Budapest and Moscow.

By that evening of Nov. 10, 1989, Anatoly Sergeyevich Chernyayev had been meticulously keeping a diary for 20 years. Every day, after coming home to his apartment on Deneshny Pereulok from the party headquarters on the Old Square or from the Kremlin, he had sat down at his desk to write in his diary.

After gazing out the window at the Foreign Ministry building, a Socialist Classicist monstrosity built shortly before Stalin's death in the neighborhood where Moscow's coin makers traditionally had their shops, he would write a detailed account of his daily experiences. He focused, in particular, on the thoughts that he could not express at work, where he was surrounded by fellow party comrades: his futile hopes, frustrations and disappointments.



Chernyayev, a close associate of then Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, made a short and laconic entry into his diary on Nov. 10: "The Berlin Wall has collapsed. An epoch in the history of the 'socialist system' is coming to an end," the advisor to the president and party chairman wrote on that Friday evening. "Following the Polish and the Hungarian workers' parties, Honecker has now fallen, and today there was news of Shivkov's departure. All we have left now are our 'closest friends': Castro, Ceausescu and Kim Il Sung. All people who hate us."

His tone was not one of bitterness but of deep sarcasm. Chernyayev had seen this day coming for a long time. "It's the end of Yalta and the Stalinist legacy," he concluded.

Let History Pass it By

The motto "Workers of the world, unite!" was still emblazoned on the front page of Pravda, the party-controlled newspaper, lying on the table next to him. A top headline, on that Nov. 10, read "Today is the day of the Soviet police." Pravda had let history pass it by.

t was a completely different story elsewhere in Europe, where people were celebrating with abandon, almost overwhelmed by the images from Berlin showing East and West Germans in each others' arms. "Germany weeps with joy. Berlin is Berlin once again!" wrote the tabloid BZ. The news that Berlin, divided for 28 years, was united had even traveled as far as the remote reaches of the Australian West Coast. German film director Wim Wenders, was on a visit to the region at the time ("I couldn't have been farther away from Berlin than I was at that moment," he said), encountered a hermit living in a cave. "It was early in the morning, and he was dead drunk. He was a Lithuanian and he spoke a little German. He kept drinking toasts to Berlin, speaking in a loud voice in an attempt to drown out the Wagner music blaring from his ghetto blaster. 'No more walls! No more walls! No more walls anyplace in the world!'"

1989 went down in the history books as the year of the fall of the Berlin Wall and of peaceful revolution in East Germany. That, at least, is the way the Germans like to see it. It was also the way then-Chancellor Helmut Kohl saw it from the beginning. "We are writing a chapter in world history, once again, it must be said," the chancellor said on Nov. 9, in an emotional speech during a state visit to neighboring Poland.But why did it take so long for the Wall to come down? And who actually destroyed it?


Lots more:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,657805,00.html
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:32 AM
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1. Saint Ronnie didn't have anything to do with a lot of things.
How refreshing to see this truth amongst the din of Reagan fairy tales.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:52 AM
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3. Yes, it is refreshing. I had a 13% mortgage under that SOB.
Wow.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:35 AM
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5. YES HE DID HE
started the downfall of this country. With his reaganomics and the bills they passed. And the people he had around him who started changing the face of the real republican party to the joke and violent hating one it is today...That's what he did. And like bush he didn't run the country. I think he was pushed into the direction he took because he was in the first stages of dementia and didn't really know what he was doing. That's just like the republicans. Putting a man up for election and re-election in that state of mind.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:38 PM
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8. You've got me there.
I should have said he didn't do anything good.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:16 AM
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6. But the damned librul media keep perpetuating the myths of St. Ronnie.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:33 PM
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10. Reagan Knew How to Hog the Camera--A Classic Ham
and his flunkies knew how to distort reality for their own gain.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:20 PM
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12. An interesting footnote in history to be sure.
They actually had to preserve part of the wall until his moment in the spotlight.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:44 AM
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2. Thanks for the reminder....it wasn't anythng to do with Ronald.
Wonder if Sarah saw any of this from her house in Alaska.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:19 AM
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4. Mass communications, a dysfunctional economic system and John Paul II did it. nt
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:21 AM
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7. An instructor from a SW Ohio college had a slide presentation of the Soviet Union before Reagan.
The Soviet infrastructure was in tatters. They had a horribly-centralized agriculture system that could not produce, process and distribute to the people. The wheels were coming off the Soviet Union before Reagan took office.

But the RW, thanks to their propaganda talk radio machine spewing the BS 24/7, there are a lot of people who believe Reagan brought down the Soviet Union, largely from his "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" speech.

It shows you the ignorance of the RW. They have been so desperate to hang their hat on SOMEBODY to point with pride to, but have had so many failed presidencies, they had to pull a "Weekend at Bernie's" and make Reagan into something that didn't even remotely resemble what he accomplished.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 01:07 PM
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9. St. Ronnie got credit for piloting the Ship of State while he was asleep on the shuffleboard deck.nt
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 01:08 PM by eppur_se_muova
:boring:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:12 PM
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11. DUzy.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 04:32 AM
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Agreed
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 04:32 AM
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15. Agreed
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:40 AM
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13. Ronnie was a dolt.
Too bad the Democrats went along with building the legend.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 03:09 AM
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14. It was all about shifting the tax burden from the wealthiest 10% to the rest of us.
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 03:09 AM by Lasher
The press let the idiot Reagan get by with incredible lies and blunders so it wouldn't be as obvious he was being manipulated by others. With this illusion of credibility, his administration was able to peddle their trickle-down snake oil.

"His errors glide past unchallenged. At one point...he alleged that almost half the population gets a free meal from the government each day. No one told him he was crazy. The general message of the American press is that, yes, while it is perfectly true that the emperor has no clothes, nudity is actually very acceptable this year." - Simon Hoggart, in The Observer (London), 1986

"Ronald Reagan is the first modern President whose contempt for the facts is treated as a charming idiosyncrasy." - James David Barber, presidential scholar, On Bended Knee: The Press and the Reagan Presidency, Mark Hertsgaard

"This loathing for government, this eagerness to prove that any program to aid the disadvantaged is nothing but a boondoggle and a money gobbler, leads him to contrive statistics and stories with unmatched vigor." - Mark Green, Reagan's Reign of Error

"President Reagan doesn't always check the facts before he makes statements, and the press accepts this as kind of amusing." - Jimmy Carter, March 6, 1984

http://thereaganyears.tripod.com/reaganquotes.htm

It's the same today. The right wing perpetuates their myths, so as to legitimize expansion of Saint Ronnie's policies. It has all played out before us, particularly during the past 8 years.
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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 07:58 AM
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16. Good Link. Thanks n/t
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