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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:40 PM
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Schwarzenegger’s Nazi problem
Here’s a question Jay Leno forgot to ask Arnold Schwarzenegger when he announced his candidacy for governor of California on last night’s “Tonight Show”: “Will you renounce your support for Kurt Waldheim?”

A LITTLE REFRESHER course may be in order. Kurt Waldheim, a widely esteemed former secretary general of the United Nations, was running for president of Austria in March 1986 when it came to light that he had participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II. Waldheim had always maintained that he had served in the Wehrmacht only briefly and that after being wounded early in the war, he had returned to Vienna to attend law school.
       In fact, Waldheim had resumed military service after recuperating from his injury and had been an intelligence officer in Germany’s Army Group E when it committed mass murder in the Kozara region of western Bosnia. (Waldheim’s name appears on the Wehrmacht’s “honor list” of those responsible for the atrocity.) In 1944, Waldheim had reviewed and approved a packet of anti-Semitic propaganda leaflets to be dropped behind Russian lines, one of which ended, “enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come over.”

http://www.msnbc.com/news/949666.asp?0cv=CB20

Arnie did a good job spreading the use of steroids among our children so I think he does qualify as a real GOP candidate.

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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:41 PM
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1. Clearly labeled opinion page
not LBN
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:45 PM
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2. We don't need another Nazi in Leadership position in America
Bush is one too many.

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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:46 PM
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3. you forgot
the evil fuckhead Delay.
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:21 PM
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14. ditto
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:23 PM
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15. not only that but I do not think this Arnold play for California is

all that accidental either. He might just take it too. Just based on his noteriety, figuring it will help bush take california in the pres election. Arnold is but a poster boy for "The 'Omland"
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foxglove1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:47 PM
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4. Arnold's father Gustav was a stormtrooper/Nazi officer
Lt. Colonel I think

Sue
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 08:55 PM
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5. Nazi...schmazi...how about
His illicit relationship with Gigi Goyette? Oh, I forgot that's his PRIVATE life! Hypocrites!

His violent movies?

The face that he is from Hollywood: a movie star? Let us not forget how the freepers spent may countless hours counting all the celebrities and their education; basically saying "why should they be speaking up; they know nothing." Well, what say you now, you hypocrites.

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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 09:01 PM
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6. If you import a political leader from Austria...
you should be really carefull about what you're doing. 'cause we've imported one a few decades ago :-) and I know, what I'm talkin about.
I really can't believe that this idiot will have a real chance to govern California... No, I can't believe it.
Today there was an interview in Tele with a prominent german actor, who has a house in Los Angeles, and he said, if Arnie becomes the governor of California, I have to pack my load anyway...
Greetings from - did I mention it before - Germany,
Dirk
P.S. please don't send him back to the german speaking part of the world, keep him there.
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Ohio Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 09:05 PM
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7. Don't forget to rate this piece.
Clear at the bottom of the page. Give it a 7 and put on their top ten. That way, more people will read it.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 09:16 PM
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8. I don't think this will be a big problem for Arnold
First of all, the sins of the father should not be visited upon the son. According to Swartzenegger, he was unaware of his father's Nazi past. This is the sort of thing a Austrian partiarch may wish to hide from his family, just as your favorite Frat Boy and mine concealed his drunk driving arrest from his duaghters.

On the other hand, am I to understand that last night on the Leno Show Swarzenegger denied posing for that all-hung out photo years ago? If so, that was stupid. It won't be long before his transient admirerers decide whether not to believe their ears when the denial is played back or not believe their eyes when they see the photo.

That will give him a serious credibility problem. He'll have no one to blame for it but himself.

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 08:25 PM
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19. And AH-nold has apparently tried to atone for his father's sins
(and believe me it pains me to post this - I'd don't think much of the Terminator)

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4031457.html

<snip>
He also has been a major financial contributor to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a premier Jewish institution in Los Angeles. Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean and founder of the center, said that his relationship with the film star began with unusual phone call more than a decade ago.

"He wanted to know if we could research his father's background," Hier said. "We did, and we showed him that his father had been a member of the Nazi party. Since then, Arnold has taken great interest in what we do. And it has definitely had an impact on him."
<end snip>

There was also a lovely picture of Ah-nold with Jesse Ventura at Ventura's inaguartion in the printed Strib today. I couldn't find it on the website. Davis could just use that for a campaign ad.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 09:31 PM
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9. The News Media will ignore AHNULDS father
Edited on Thu Aug-07-03 09:45 PM by Mari333
the same as they ignore ShrubBoy's GRANDPA, PRESCOTT BUSH, NAZI FRIEND AND FINANCIER.

http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_articles/bushsecrets.htm
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 10:22 PM
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10. Kick, vote it to the top
..
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 10:44 PM
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11. kick
:kick:
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umcwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:27 AM
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12. Kick, n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 09:49 AM
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13. Arnie's a coward/afraid to knock Nazi Waldheim - BUT he is not Nazi
http://www.msnbc.com/news/949666.asp?0si=-

Schwarzenegger’s Nazi problem

Will his ties to Kurt Waldheim hurt his bid for governor?

By Timothy Noah SLATE.COM



Aug. 7 — Here’s a question Jay Leno forgot to ask Arnold Schwarzenegger when he announced his candidacy for governor of California on last night’s “Tonight Show”: “Will you renounce your support for Kurt Waldheim?”

A LITTLE REFRESHER course may be in order. Kurt Waldheim, a widely esteemed former secretary general of the United Nations, was running for president of Austria in March 1986 when it came to light that he had participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II. Waldheim had always maintained that he had served in the Wehrmacht only briefly and that after being wounded early in the war, he had returned to Vienna to attend law school. In fact, Waldheim had resumed military service after recuperating from his injury and had been an intelligence officer in Germany’s Army Group E when it committed mass murder in the Kozara region of western Bosnia. (Waldheim’s name appears on the Wehrmacht’s “honor list” of those responsible for the atrocity.) In 1944, Waldheim had reviewed and approved a packet of anti-Semitic propaganda leaflets to be dropped behind Russian lines, one of which ended, “enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come over.” After the war, Waldheim was wanted for war crimes by the War Crimes Commission of the United Nations, the very organization he would later head. ….(This information comes from the 1992 book Betrayal: The Untold Story of the Kurt Waldheim Investigation and Cover-Up, by Eli M. Rosenbaum and William Hoffer.)

WEDDING INVITE One month after these revelations began to splash across the front pages of newspapers worldwide, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver exchanged wedding vows at the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport. Schwarzenegger, a native of Austria, had invited Waldheim to the wedding,…(this is reported in Arnold: The Unauthorized Biography, by Wendy Leigh): My friends don’t want me to mention Kurt’s name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy, but I love him and Maria does too, and so thank you, Kurt. Schwarzenegger’s name remained on Waldheim’s campaign posters. After Waldheim was elected, Schwarzenegger paid him a visit and was photographed with him. According to the New York Post’s “Page Six” gossip column, Schwarzenegger was seen sitting beside Waldheim as recently as 1998, when the two attended the second inauguration of Waldheim’s successor as president, Thomas Klestil.


<snip>Rather than confront his Waldheim problem head-on, Schwarzenegger has proclaimed his disgust for Nazism, raised money for education about the Holocaust, traveled to Israel (where he met with then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin), and given generously to the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, which in 1997 bestowed on him its National Leadership Award. “He wants no truck with … Waldheim,” the Wiesenthal Center’s Rabbi Marvin Hier told the Jerusalem Post. “He probably did not have any clue as to the seriousness of the allegations against Waldheim at that time . To suggest that Arnold’s an anti-Semite is preposterous. He’s done more to further the cause of Holocaust awareness than almost any other Hollywood star.” Clearly, though, that won’t be enough. If Schwarzenegger doesn’t renounce Waldheim in a highly public way, he can forget about ever becoming governor of California.


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Timothy Noah writes the “Chatterbox” column for Slate.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:30 PM
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16. If they are using the Republican-created deficit in CA against Davis,
I guess its fair to use this. People are looking for slogans, not facts. Arnold's votes will be based solely on his popularity - not his stand on anything relevant.
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:28 PM
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18. slogan for the RNC in NYC on Arnold
Edited on Fri Aug-08-03 06:29 PM by Wonder

"we make ALL decisions for zee people of zee 'omeland!"
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Equinox Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:26 PM
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17. Speaking of Nazis

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 09:09 AM
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20. Not just dady's sins:
http://www.codoh.com/newsdesk/961117.HTML



In 1986 he invited Kurt Waldheim to his wedding in Massachusetts.
Waldheim, the former United Nations secretary-general, was in the middle
of winning his election as president of Austria and "forgetting" his own
role in Austria's Nazi wartime record. A year later Waldheim was banned
from entering America.
Schwarzenegger has also been photographed with Jorg Haider, leader of
Austria's right-wing Freedom party who last year was filmed at a secret
reunion of the Waffen SS, the military arm of the Nazi SS, praising them
as "decent people".
Haider claimed not to know that the Waffen SS had been designated a
criminal organisation at the Nuremberg trials. 
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 05:33 PM
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21. I believe this codoh site

might be a holocaust denial site... which is interesting because if on this site this particularly group is questioning Arnold's ties to Nazi and/or exposing his admiration for the work the SS did, hmmmm... what could this be indicative of:

1- perhaps I am wrong and codoh is not a holocaust denial site or,
2- they are anti-nazi as well and have need to expose the neo nazi chords within the present US admin, or
3- they understand many people ARE anti-nazi and because they want to bring this present US admin down they are just spinning yarns...

I tend to feel Arnold has nazi affection... I am not moved his donations to Jewish groups IF he is in line with the neo nazi elements within this US admin it would behoove him to contribute to Jewish groups for political reasons. It just confuses the scent and the senses on him.

There is much resistance to the suggestion that Bush, Jr. and Sr. have nazi affections. Come on known nazi's were present on Bush Sr. 88 campaign committee. When questioned he moved them to his NSC...

I do not feel the case is closed on the neo nazi suspicions. Not in terms of Arnold or the Bush Family and the Oil Cabal. Not by a long shot. To many strange synchronicities are evidently at play here to just discount it out of hand, IMHO.
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