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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:48 AM
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Down With The People
http://www.slate.com/id/2243797/

In trying to explain why our political paralysis seems to have gotten so much worse over the past year, analysts have rounded up a plausible collection of reasons including: President Obama's tactical missteps, the obstinacy of congressional Republicans, rising partisanship in Washington, the blustering idiocracy of the cable-news stations, and the Senate filibuster, which has devolved into a super-majority threshold for any important legislation. These are all large factors, to be sure, but that list neglects what may be the biggest culprit in our current predicament: the childishness, ignorance, and growing incoherence of the public at large.

Anybody who says you can't have it both ways clearly hasn't been spending much time reading opinion polls lately. One year ago, 59 percent of the American public liked the stimulus plan, according to Gallup. A few months later, with the economy still deeply mired in recession, a majority of the same size said Obama was spending too much money on it. There's nothing wrong with changing your mind, of course, but opinion polls over the last year reflect something altogether more troubling: a country that simultaneously demands and rejects action on unemployment, deficits, health care, climate change, and a whole host of other major problems. Sixty percent of Americans want stricter regulations of financial institutions. But nearly the same proportion says we're suffering from too much regulation on business. That kind of illogic—or, if you prefer, susceptibility to rhetorical manipulation—is what locks the status quo in place.


I know Jacob doesn't have a lot of fans around here, but mostly I'm calling attention to this one because of the freeper invasion. Slate has a new comment system, and it's a lot easier to use than the fray, for better or worse. Easy enough that even a freeper could do it, perhaps? In this case, I noticed that Jacob was surprised to see a strong libertarian tilt to the replies.

I think we all know what that means, and sure enough a minutes worth of digging found me the link to the article over at freeperland:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2445759/posts


So, yeah, it's maybe a little late to do anything about the infestation on that article, but it's definitely something to be aware of in the ol' hearts and minds battle...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:36 AM
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1. The 'populace' might be a little less wushu washy if
Dems offered a visible and readily available
what have you done for me lately legislative agenda.

Dems including obama have no one to ble but th selves.

Govern goddamn it -- that's what you were sent there for.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:02 AM
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2. The "paralysis" comes from the fact that few in Congress want to do what needs to be done.
On both sides of the aisle. So they collude and mislead in order to stall. It's a very old situation here in the good old USA really, what is different is the dire situation we are in.
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:45 PM
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3. To be fair
another piece of the puzzle that Weisberg doesn't really touch on is how manipulative so much polling is - if two sets of results don't jive, the problem is often that the polls were not designed to gather information so much as to give someone a set of results they can massage.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:52 PM
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4. I hope you don't think I am defending the fairness and accuracy of polls?
I agree with you of course. In polling one finds pretty much what one goes looking for, or rather I should say what one is paid to go looking for.
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bonemachine Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:44 PM
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5. and another thing
I see that if you mention them by name, they crawl out of the woodworks here too, This may not be a world class caliber thread, but I don't think that it warrants unrec-ing :D
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