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mgc1961 Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:58 AM
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Did young Kane pull trigger in Memphis shooting?
CLEARWATER, Fla. — Less than 24 hours after the bloody West Memphis shooting that left four people dead, including two police officers, FBI agents knocked on the door of a pink Spanish-style house here near the Gulf of Mexico.

Donna Lee Wray, the 50-year-old, self-described common-law wife of alleged shooter Jerry R. Kane, answered the door.

"They didn't come in," Wray recalled defiantly.

But what the FBI agents told Wray offers the first details of how the most costly day in Memphis-area law enforcement began.

"Jerry had nothing to do with it," Wray said.

She said federal agents told her Kane's 16-year-old son, Joe, was the one who gunned down West Memphis Police Sgt. Brandon Paudert, 39, and Officer Bill Evans, 38, with an AK-47 assault rifle.

The Commercial Appeal could not verify that information independently. FBI officials declined to comment.


More to read at http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/may/23/tragic-details-emerge/
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:00 AM
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1. I assume they will check for gundpower residue on hands and ballistic reports
since they can probably recover bullets from the bodies
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:37 AM
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2. Disregard for laws at every level of government - local, state and federal,
Edited on Sun May-23-10 09:48 AM by geckosfeet
However, the second amendment does not discriminate based on sanity or legal status.

Sheriff injured in West Memphis shooting says "All hell broke loose"

"They got out shooting with what they had," Busby said Saturday from his home in Marion, hours after his release from the Regional Medical Center at Memphis.

Wounded and hunkered down in their unmarked sheriff's car, the two lawmen continued to receive fire until a state wildlife officer rammed the suspects' van.

Busby said he didn't even see the younger suspect. He was looking at the elder Kane, who was firing some kind of high-powered rifle.

The sheriff said the gun looked like it could have been an AK-47, a weapon that Kane's common-law wife in Florida said he carried with him on trips.

"The daddy jumped out of the van with (a high-powered rifle) in his hands shooting," Busby said. "It was spitting those rounds out pretty quick."

The younger Kane had a weapon, but the sheriff said he was unsure of what type.

Sheriff injured in West Memphis shooting says "All hell broke loose"

This guy should have been in prison - not driving across the country with his "high-powered rifle".

on edit - Sorry to drag the second amendment into this, but clearly gun ownership is an issue here. Was honoring this guys second amendment rights was worth it? To him or anyone else?

Added link to source.
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mgc1961 Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 10:34 AM
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3. Speaking as a gun owner, I don't mind the 2nd amendment introduction.
I recalled this applicable portion of Becoming Enlightened as I read Donna Lee Wray's words.

In general a teacher is useful for gaining knowledge, and it is particularly important for a teacher of spiritual topics to be properly qualified. Chief among these qualifications are expertise in the spiritual texts and direct experience of what is being taught. Since the very purpose of Buddhist learning is to discipline the mind, a teacher of such knowledge could not help tame anyone else's mind without first having tamed her own. Therefore, a teacher must herself possess inner qualities of experiential realization and scriptural understanding surpassing those of her students.

<snip>

To teach trainees it is necessary to have a wealth of scriptural knowledge as well as acquaintance with and understanding of a range of teachings, so that when teamed with skill in techniques of instruction you can stimulate understanding in students. To accomplish this, you need to be energetically enthusiastic about improving the welfare of your students, to have only loving sympathy for them, and to forgo any personal concern about the hardships involved in explaining doctrines over and over again until they can sink in.

Just as it is important for those who want to be teachers to work at gaining these qualities, so it is important for students to understand the attributes of a good spiritual teacher and to try to find someone endowed with them. If you cannot find anyone who has all of these attributes, at least find someone who has more good qualities than defects; avoid those who defects predominate or who are in the same situation as you.

There are Tibetans in various parts of the world who are attempting to teach but are not qualified to do so. Students need to take care in order to avoid such teachers. Rushing headlong into this venture is inappropriate. Analyze first. Just as a teacher needs the power of analysis to become learned, so does a student need analysis from the very start. Buddhist doctrines aim at providing antidotes to the three poisons of lust, hatred, and ignorance, for this, discriminating wisdom is needed.

<snip>

Real lamas like Paltrul Rinpoche assume a humble posture, even though they are endowed with tremendous qualities of character. In Sanskrit the word for lama is guru, which literally means "heavy" in the sense of being possessed of many great qualities leading to altruistic activities. Nowadays, many so-called lamas have lost sight of this; the height of their teaching thrones and the elegance of their special hats do not reflect their inner state.

If you find a qualified teacher, you will value her; the best way to do this is to achieve what she teaches.


By His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Translated and edited by Jeffrey Hopkins, PH.D. pages 31-33.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:41 PM
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4. Yes. As gun owner I consider deeply when and why I feel someone should
Edited on Sun May-23-10 02:42 PM by geckosfeet
not be allowed to own a gun.

This is a case in point. I think it would have been appropriate and sensible to not issue permits to this fellow. But given his penchant for disregarding any legal structure whatsoever he would have obtained all the guns he wanted anyway. My guess is that is exactly what happened.
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