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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 04:24 AM
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Why Washington is More Right-Wing Than the Rest of the Country (Cenk @ Huffington Post)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/why-washington-is-more-ri_b_627357.html|Why Washington is More Right-Wing Than the Rest of the Country>
By Cenk Uygur

We recently had John Avlon on the program and he is a devout "centrist." That used to mean that you were somewhere on the political spectrum between the left and the right. It now means that you set up false equivalencies between the left and the right and call everything even no matter what...

...what's maddening is that no one acknowledges two things: 1. How far to the right of the country Washington is. 2. How far the political spectrum has moved to the right.

Why is Washington more right-wing than the rest of the nation? Because that's where power and the establishment reside. Power is by nature conservative -- it wants to protect its current privileged position. That's not nefarious, it's natural. But not acknowledging that is silly. The establishment loves the status quo, because that's what got them their current position. Why would they want to change that?

And how can anyone consider themselves a political analyst and not see how far to the right we have moved as a country? Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex. If he had said that now, people would say he's weak on national security and doesn't support the troops. And he was a Republican. Truman ran on single payer healthcare -- Obama wouldn't even consider that. Nixon started the Environmental Protection Agency. Reagan sold arms to terrorists...

...Watch this debate with John Avlon, the author of Wingnuts, How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America, and see if you really think there is such a thing as the hard left in this country and whether they are anywhere near as extreme as the hard right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbrkvbsUfYw|Cenk Vs. Daily Beast's Avlon On The So Called "Radical Left" & More>
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 05:51 AM
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1. I don't believe the country has moved to the right....
... but obviously Washington and the PTB have portrayed the center as being far right of where it really is.

I believe the country is actually moving to the left as more and more people are in economic chaos, due to the policies of the right. But the MSM and policiticians of both parties pander to the PTB, making us seem more to the right than we really are.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 08:36 AM
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4. The country has indeed moved to the right over the last 30 years.
I agree with you that it's swinging back to the left, but to say it hasn't moved right is nonsense. We've basically had Republican rule for 30 years. It doesn't get any more "right" than that, even though people are now starting to realize how wrong that has been for the country.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 04:32 PM
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13. You are correct...
Edited on Mon Jun-28-10 04:34 PM by SkyDaddy7
However, I have not seen the move to the left. I know Obama is trying to ease us in that direction but look at the blow back from what he is doing...And what he is doing is center of the road. This country is in denial! Americans were told for 30yrs via talk radio, FOX "News" and MSM how good unregulated free markets are and how corporations are for the good of the country...And despite the collapse of the financial system and the pain that has caused us many refuse to see the problem. Most refuse to see that GOVERNMENT saved the entire economy from collapse! Look at the blow back over this oil spill! Folks are quick to blame Obama for not doing enough and for trying to prevent another spill...Polls show an overwhelming support for more drilling!

Our country is living in fantasy land thanks to 30yrs of stupidity! We are running out of places to drill and where we do find oil it goes on the international market and does little to nothing for lowering cost...However, most Americans think the oil found off our shores comes straight to us at cheaper cost.

I fear the right wing in this country has kept Americans in the dark for so long it is easy to fool them now. Then throw in the Republican's ace in the hole CHRISTIANITY and they control more than half the country's thinking! Not good!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 09:24 PM
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16. I think the environment is moving people left.
And not all Christianity is evil. Even before the spill, a lot of otherwise conservative Christian churches we're starting to wake up that the Bible actually tells them to take care of the earth, i.e., the Earth is a gift from God and we have shat upon it. Since the oil spill, more people are waking up. They may not be for Obama, but they've been screwed so long by both parties they're not Republicans, either. And that's a move to the left. Of course, I don't have a tv so I don't watch all the propaganda the CM spews. I'm basing this on talking with people I work with or know from when I lived in Mississippi.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:38 AM
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19. Although I know what you are saying...
Probably does have some truth to it...For most Christians caring for the Earth takes a back seat to Abortion, Gay rights and Evolution being taught in public school...All of which Republicans use as a carrot & stick so they do not even have to work for those votes!

Yes, there are probably Conservative Christians who have changed their stance on the Environment but they will still vote for Republicans which is a vote against the environment.

The Republicans have guaranteed votes from many wealthy people, small government folks, fiscal Conservatives, racially charged voters, but their bulk of voters are Christians! They think voting for Democrats makes them guilty of murdering babies, trashing the sanctity of marriage & admitting they came from monkeys not god! Yes, many of these groups overlap but this combination pretty much guarantees the Republicans nearly 50% of the vote in National Election for POTUS! Scary!

In 1994 only 41% of Americans denied the Theory of Evolution today that number is over 60%! A recent poll showed over 40% of Americans think Jesus will return before 2050!

I know it hard for some to take this stuff seriously especially coming from an Agnostic/Atheist...But I have no problem with folks believing what they want to...My problem is with those who are so wrapped up in their beliefs they have abandoned all common sense, all trust in science (Unless they ed a Dr.) and most of all want to force everyone to live by their delusions!

Scary stuff!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:33 AM
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20. I am an ordained minister and also an agnostic.
I absolutely do not believe "most" Christians vote Republican. It's just the ones shouting the loudest and who get the most airplay, like the teabaggers. Poll are all skewed, extrapolated from small population samples and/or geographically isolated areas, conducted by special interest groups with biased interests in having the poll numbers support what their positions and reported by the CM ad nauseam as undisputable, immutable fact. Many polls predicted Kerry's win and Obama's loss, for example.

Please don't talk to me like I'm an idiot who "can't hear this stuff coming from an agnostic." I have a firm grasp on reality. Polls and the CM do not reflect much reality.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:48 PM
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21. WHAT? I think you misunderstood me...
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 04:49 PM by SkyDaddy7
Why would you say I was talking to you like an "idiot"? I never did any such thing!

I guess your emotional attachment to something I said offended you but I had no intention of doing so! That is exactly why I said what I did!

I apologize for hurting your feelings but I honestly was not trying to. However, I stand by what I said because it was in no way meant as you took it.

Please read what I wrote again.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 10:02 AM
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6. And according to the data you'd be absolutely correct
Edited on Mon Jun-28-10 10:03 AM by depakid
Which has been posted- over and over:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8311732&mesg_id=8312675

Cenk's problem is that he doesn't realize that he and his colleagues are also subject to postulate #1.

Amazing that he raises the issue- tries to be serious about it and then follows up with that bit.

He's usually somewhat more insightful than that.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 06:23 PM
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14. Keep dreaming
People like Hayworth and Paul and Angle and Rubio would not have had a prayer of being elected to the Senate 20 years ago. This country is farther right than any since Franco's Spain.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 06:11 AM
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2. It's not a matter of left or right
Washington DC will do whatever it can to maximize its own power, and to that end will make use of any ideology or tactic.
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 08:11 AM
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3. The Left is civil and rational.
If anything, the Right is fanatical and chaotic.
And the radical Left?
I don't believe they even exist.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 09:56 AM
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5. Oh they exist............
It's just they don't exist in DC.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 11:31 AM
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7. The billionaires that own DC are right wingers because right wingers work in favor of billionaires.
It didn't take an essay, I fit it in a subject line.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 11:38 AM
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8. So far right wing
We are almost to Fascism.
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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 12:30 PM
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10. whats this almost..
i don't use the term lightly..i have no intent on being a liberal Joe McCarthy.. but th interlocking of industry, and government, together with the tacit blessing of the faith industry, invariably leads to that conclusion..

I grew up in southern Idaho (per capita highest percentage of bircher).. in the 60s we used to heckle their meetings.. while prominent republicans used to run them out of the tent, today they are welcome in the republican party..the tactic of fabrication of facts, verified by quoting each other, is standard right wing practice.. the sound chamber, and fokkks news are simply the culmination of half a century of tactics.. the fact that so many people believe the crap, is a sad commentary on the populace..
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 07:43 PM
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15. And yet Glenn Beck writes a book about how far left the country has moved/is moving/will move.
It would be hilarious if it didn't influence millions of dopes.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 09:46 PM
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17. its very genius lies in its paradox: they write such big tomes that contradicting them
seems counterfactual, when in actuality it's taking into account all the relevant facts! it's the same technique used to transform Petraeus or Kagan into "liberals": they simply purge any contradictory evidence, and accuse opponents of being on the same epistemological ground
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:00 AM
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18. He's a master propagandist. n/t
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 12:11 PM
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9. K&R!
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CherylK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 01:50 PM
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11. K & R!!!
:kick:
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Robert DAH Bruce Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 02:11 PM
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12. Well, c'mon!
We all knew this was gonna happen when Obama got elected!
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