Was Hitler Gay?

Add to the Hitler list his connection to being Gay. He has been equated with just about every movement and ideology known to modern man. At a recent church leadership conference I attended Erwin Lutzer's book on the state of the nation was offered on the book table. I wrote earlier here about Lutzer claiming to connect the dots between Hitler and modern American culture. Lutzer traces connections he claims all the way from current taxation to the ACLU making his case they are awfully close to Hitler. His friend Glenn Beck has developed a cottage industry from such. The book, Pink Swastika, is the foundation of the claim about gay Nazis. The Daily Show ran a comedy sketch on the Pink Swastika conspiracy claim noting that no historian of any academic credit believes there is any link to such. Scott Lively, an anti-gay marriage activist with roots in Oregon, is the author of the theory. For decades I have heard statements and claims that Hitler was a homosexual and his close aids were also gay. Thus the entire Nazi movement has roots in gay lifestyles.

Scott Lively's popular book is now noted to be nothing more than a vivid stretch of Scott's imagination. The historical accuracy is void. The Southern Poverty Law Center even lists the book as part of hate literature. That is a work designed to promote hatred of a group with no serious scholarship.

The story fits amidst the shelves of other conspiracy myths that float occasionally on emails or Christian talk radio. Other rumors that abound include the Proctor and Gamble story about the company making a secret pact with Satan. (Many believe the Amway crowd started this one to boost sales of their pyramid marketing.) We get the occasional Madeline Murray O'Hare story about the atheist starting a bill to take Christian radio off the air. This is a grand feat for someone who has been dead for several years.

A recent hoax was played on the nation from Falwell U. Liberty University hired a seminary president by the name of Ergun Caner. He wrote a best seller named Inside Islam. The book propelled him to national fame and notoriety. He was a guest expert on government panels not to mention a featured speaker at Bible conferences around the nation. Truth was Caner had a vivid imagination. His claims to having been raised a terrorist and participant in Islam did not add up. He was dismissed from his leadership at the campus for "self contradictory" statements. That's a euphemistic way of saying his pen wrote big checks that his life's record could not cash.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/9/3/11136/92724

Which I can't imagine goes over to well with the testicles-as-the-root-of-all-Earthly-evil crowd, but there you have it.

right nut, or left nut?

(Sung to the tune of the "Col. Bogey March" aka the "Bridge Over the River Kwai" theme)

~"Hitler
Has only got one ball

Goering's
Are rather small

Himmler's
Are sim'lar

And Goebbels
Has no balls
At all!"~


helpfully,
Bright

One was retained in the body and never descended. It has nothing to do with sexuality.

encourages breast feeding at the Olive Garden :hide:

Hiding the only unemployed member of the Third Reich.

Parkinson's Disease. He held his hand to keep it still. I watched some video when they were talking about it, and it seemed to make sense.

He called syphilis the "Jewish disease". So the theory goes that he contracted the disease from a Jewish prostitute. Not provable, but thought provoking.

Goering had two but they were small
Himmler, had something sim'lar
then there was Goebbels
with no balls
at all

Sung while marching, to the tune of the Colonel Bogey march.

If he were, he'd have to be extremely self-loathing to do what he did.

I do have my doubts, though, about Glenn Beck and Scott Lively (hell, his name even sets off my gaydar!).

At least I did, back in 2004-5 or so. I remember it vividly.

His grandmother worked as a live-in maid for a Jewish family when she got pregnant. She never disclosed who the father was.

There is a written account of Hitler in the bushes with another man, performing homosexual acts, from his early days in the military.

Self-loathing may well have been at the core of his psyche.

Aside from that, he did have some sexual peculiarities.

"The first published statement that Hitler may have had a perversion was made in an article appearing in 1971 and drawing on a valuable psychological investigation of Hitler prepared for the OSS in 1943 by Dr. Walter C. Langer and other American psychoanalysts and clinical psychologists. This wartime report, subsequently published in 1972, reached the following conclusion with regard to Hitler’s aberrant sexual activity:

It is an extreme form of masochism in which the individual derives sexual gratification from the act of having a woman urinate or defecate on him."

http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=10369

Lively's using this stuff to call for our extermination.

because they were gay. He also had thousands of gays put into concentration camps to be worked to death.

Hitler actually was a non-drinker who hated tobacco and he WAS a vegetarian. He believed in the occult. He was born and raised catholic.

He had a sister,Paula,who he hit on occasion-and a niece who he put into a concentration camp. She was mentally ill.

mark

That's like saying Larry Craig isn't gay because he has a staunch record of voting for and vocally supporting anti-gay legislation. It's like saying Ted Haggard was straight because he railed against gays for years as pastor of his right wing church.

In fact, it's been speculated that hitler's murder of homosexuals may have been an attempt to silence those who "knew too much."

There's zero evidence, zip that Hitler was homosexual.

Some people secretly wish he had been. I wonder why that is.

Hitler felt may damage him in any way. I'm not the first to suggest certain homosexuals were killed for "knowing too much."

Your message made me laugh because in the title you asked me if I "want him to be gay?". Then later you say, "Some people secretly wish he had been. I wonder why that is."

It's the "some people" part that's funny. As in "Some people (ahem) need to stop using all the table salt" (or whatever).

And their "research" has been further amplified by the extreme right wing "American Family Association".

So, you are correct when you say you "are not the first to suggest" this tripe. That said, why you echo their nonsense is odd, especially on a progressive blog.

Hitler's sexuality is not a political belief. It is neither conservative nor liberal to question his sexuality. Your efforts to politicize the discussion of Hitler's sexual practices are an obvious attempt to obscure the real issue.

You're using a really broad brush implying the RW owns all historical speculation on Hitler's sexuality. That's nonsense. It's just a way to dispute an argument without actually having to discuss the actual argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Braun

Hitler evidently drove women crazy ( and some to suicide...)

He was rumored to have been a gay prostitute in Vienna as a young man.

so what's your point?

My point is that those close to Hitler were suspicious that the two weren't sexually active. I clipped this from a website just now. (And it is easily corroborated.)

"According to Dr. Theo Morell, Hitler's personal doctor after 1936, Eva and her lover-Führer were
sexually involved but not frequently and slept in separate bedrooms. Hitler's housekeeper at the
Berghof said on TV that Adolf and Eva never had sex and used the testimony of his wife who swore
that the bed's sheets of the couple were never stained."

His odd little relationship with Eva Braun has been a source of dispute since the beginning.

Obviously, we can't say for certain but we can say that there's no evidence that it was the case and a fair amount of evidence that it wasn't. Hitler's sexual tastes may have been somewhat unusual but as far as we know, they were entirely hetero.

That hostel was said to be a hub of homosexual activity. He also had a couple of different male roommates, one after the other. Obviously that doesn't make him gay, but I remember reading part of a jealous letter he sent to one of them, saying that he couldn't take it when he consorted with other young people.

Then there's Ernst Roehm, the openly gay party leader with whom Hitler was very close -- so close that Roehm essentially "made" Hitler within the party. Hitler went from obscurity to the height of power, thanks largely to Roehm, who Hitler eventually killed.

Remember, this is Europe during the twenties, so when they say "a hub of homosexual activity", that might well mean "2 gay guys and a book of Sappho poems".

Jews, Poles, Gypsies and Homosexuals were the primary targets; set for extermination in the concentration camps.

Thanks for the thread, Joanne.

B) "Hitler was evil" and then jump to Z) "Homosexuals are therefore evil and should be punished for the holocaust and hated and bla bla bla..." that's such a logical leap of faith/fallacy it will never resonate. Even with RW lunatics who already hate homosexuals so much they couldn't hate more if they tried.

Throw in the fact that so far, his homosexuality is a matter of speculation and this just won't catch on as a weapon against homosexuals. To use such a thing as a weapon against any peaceful segment of society is so specious, and in such abhorrently bad taste that it will blow up in the face of anyone who tries to make this mainstream.

that regularly pelted bad and bigoted ballot measures at Oregonians attacking Gays, Lesbians and Trans-gendered people. He wrote his book as a backlash against labels of the OCA as Nazi, fascist and bigoted.