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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:19 PM
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(Get him!) Did Michael Moore really lie? Debunkers read this!
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0614-09.htm

Tellingly, the differences in these opposing accounts are not a matter of blunt contradiction but of details omitted and included, respectively. The omissions necessary to trump up the "Moore staged it" story become visible in the light cast by the details included in his personal account:

He would've had to open a long-term CD! (...and he did.)

You have to get a background check! (...which he did, on the spot.)
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"Even more tellingly, that Forbes piece claimed that "Bowling for Columbine" also perpetrated the following "falsehood:"

"WELFARE: Moore places blame for a shooting by a child in Michigan on the work-to-welfare program that prevented the boy's mother from spending time with him. ACTUALLY: Moore doesn't mention that mom had sent the boy to live in a house where her brother and a friend kept drugs and guns. "

Anyone who even casually followed Moore's commentary during the 2000 presidential campaign, two years before "Columbine," knows that among the top 5 charges he leveled against the career of Al Gore was Clinton-Gore's championship of welfare "reform," the draconian measures Moore held responsible for forcing that woman to get on a bus to make an 80-mile daily commute to two minimum-wage jobs, thereby also forcing her to leave the son she could no longer care for -- day care or baby-sitters not an option -- in the hands of her brother and in the vicinity of those drugs and guns, as Moore related in painful, vivid detail. Forbes made his point for him..."
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:44 PM
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1. as has been pointed out before, if mm lied about these things..
where are the libel suits? Lance Armstrong didn't waste any time filing a suit against the author of the new book claiming he used performance enhancing drugs.
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Aunt Anti-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:06 PM
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2. To 'stage' such things would ruin a documentary maker.
I find it hard to believe he would risk his career that way. He's made one hell of a name for himself with other documentaries and books. He wouldn't jeopardize that to 'stage' anything. I've read about some of the things depicted in the film and they are all things I have previously heard about. Not fabrications.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:29 AM
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3. oh for christ's fucking sake
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 11:29 AM by enki23
it isn't a lie, it's a fucking anecdote. it doesn't prove anything by itself, but it makes for a compelling picture. documentaries don't thrive on charts and statistics.

they ought to know. anecdotal evidence is republican bread and butter. they live their entire lives oblivious to statistics about the world in which they live.
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Tommy_Douglas Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:00 PM
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4. It's a lie only....
for those too damn stupid to actually think it out.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:10 PM
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5. Leave Moore alone.
He can says anything he likes as long as he keeps turning out movies.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 02:02 PM
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6. "many on the left have proven willing to go along"
All too true. Given the ferocity of some of the attacks on Moore's credibility here at DU, one would think he's PETA or something.
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