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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:08 PM
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Torture Policy (WP)
SLOWLY, AND IN spite of systematic stonewalling by the Bush administration, it is becoming clearer why a group of military guards at Abu Ghraib prison tortured Iraqis in the ways depicted in those infamous photographs. President Bush and his spokesmen shamefully cling to the myth that the guards were rogues acting on their own. Yet over the past month we have learned that much of what the guards did -- from threatening prisoners with dogs, to stripping them naked, to forcing them to wear women's underwear -- had been practiced at U.S. military prisons elsewhere in the world. Moreover, most of these techniques were sanctioned by senior U.S. officials, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and the Iraqi theater command under Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez. Many were imported to Iraq by another senior officer, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller.
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Later, several of the techniques that were banned in Guantanamo were adopted in Iraq. In late August and September 2003 Gen. Miller visited Abu Ghraib with the mandate to improve interrogations. Senior officers have testified to Congress that he brought "harsh" techniques from Guantanamo. Gen. Sanchez's command then issued a policy that included the use of stress positions and dogs, along with at least five of seven exceptional techniques approved by Mr. Rumsfeld in the revised Guantanamo policy. After further objections from uniformed lawyers, Gen. Sanchez modified the policy in mid-October, but interrogators and guards at Abu Ghraib went on using the earlier rules. They were committing crimes, but they were not improvising: Most of what they did originally had been sanctioned by both the defense secretary and U.S. Central Command.

It's not clear why interrogation techniques judged improper or illegal by a Pentagon legal team were subsequently adopted in Iraq. Nor is it clear what those standards are today, either in Iraq or elsewhere -- breaking with decades of previous practice, the Bush administration has classified them. Congressional leaders who have vowed to get to the bottom of the prisoner abuse scandal still have much to learn; they will not succeed unless the scale and pace of their investigations are stepped up.

The Senate, however, has an opportunity today to directly address the mess the administration has made of interrogation policy and of America's global standing. An amendment to the defense authorization bill, sponsored by Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), would reaffirm the commitment of the United States not to engage in torture, and it would require the defense secretary to provide Congress with guidelines ensuring compliance with this standard. Sadly, the Bush administration's policy decisions have cast doubt on whether this country accepts this fundamental principle of human rights. Congress should insist that it does.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44849-2004Jun15.html
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 01:04 AM
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1. Memory hole problem????
I just read the editorial, and when I read it again, it looked like it had been changed!

The first time I saw it, the piece ended with a quote from Edmund Burke, "All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."

So the WP was officially calling the Torture Party evil!

I was going to post on it here, and when I checked the article to cut out the quote, it was gone! That last paragraph was gone!

Did anybody else see that?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:15 AM
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3. OMFG!! You are correct!
Too bad Google news doesn't have a cache......

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:20 AM
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4. Ooops, maybe not....
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 04:21 AM by BlueEyedSon
Same author, Different article ("So Torture Is Legal?"):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44874-2004Jun15.html

Indeed, if the voters can't move the politicians, and the politicians aren't courageous enough to act alone, we may wake up one morning and discover that torture has always been legal after all. Edmund Burke, a conservative philosopher, wrote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." It looks as if he was right.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 09:00 AM
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7. It was in the print version so it is preserved regardless.
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dand Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:20 AM
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2. The new Nazis are here, in our White House
That Sen. Durbin would have to introduce an amendment not to engage in torture is outrageous, a Democrat in the WH would be flayed alive.
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 10:32 AM
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5. Torture Policy is an Editorial


So Torture Is Legal?

By Anne Applebaum has the quote at the END of her article.


Indeed, if the voters can't move the politicians, and the politicians aren't courageous enough to act alone, we may wake up one morning and discover that torture has always been legal after all. Edmund Burke, a conservative philosopher, wrote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." It looks as if he was right.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44874-2004Jun15.html



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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:13 PM
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6. bill voted down
no law against contractors in US interrogation.
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