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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:07 PM
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Analysts expecting $135 a barrel Oil by end of 2012 (that would mean gas @ $5.40 a gallon)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OIL_PRICES?SITE=AP

Goldman Sachs expects benchmark West Texas Intermediate crude to hit $135 per barrel by the end of 2012. Morgan Stanley said Brent will average $120 per barrel this year, while J.P. Morgan thinks Brent will be $130 per barrel in the third quarter.

"They're very cautious about selling after the big boys come out and start pumping up" the price," oil analyst Jim Ritterbusch said.

In addition Barclays Capital said crude demand could pick up this summer as power shortages in China worsen. An extended drought is reducing hydroelectric sources and forcing authorities to turn to coal and diesel to run generators.

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..... the additional cost paid for this oil will come out of our hoped for economic growth.

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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:14 PM
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1. They're just itching to get the price back up
Edited on Wed May-25-11 05:14 PM by katnapped
Not even fundamentals anymore, they're just overcome with greed.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:22 PM
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5. we have to cut our consumption of oil to slow or stop the rise in the price.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:49 PM
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10. Oil Consumption HAS Been Cut
It's called demand destruction: when the price becomes too high, people don't buy.

The ENTIRE WORLD is in a Depression, for god's sake. Nobody's going to be buying oil at those prices. And the Depression isn't going away any time soon. China isn't going to fill the oilman's stockings with loot, any more than anyone else.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:57 PM
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12. Not really, in the rest of the world
Edited on Wed May-25-11 07:58 PM by bhikkhu




http://omrpublic.iea.org/

Oil production has been climbing, but not as fast as demand has been climbing, and price hasn't put a big dent in it yet. Note in the graphs (and in the accompanying article, if you click through to it) that demand has been exceeding supply for much of this year.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:18 AM
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14. Bet You a Nickel That Demand Curve Includes Speculation
which is what is driving oil prices, not true demand.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 11:08 PM
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16. Demand = consumption, but that's really a good question
In theory its a figure usually given in barrels of oil consumed or used rather than stored in inventory.

The volume of oil in storage is also closely tracked, but I hadn't ever really thought about whether some of the oil reported as end-use might actually be stocked away somewhere, waiting for the price to go back up to be resold. I'm sure it could happen, but given the total volumes (in tens of millions of barrels every day), it probably isn't enough to affect the figures much.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:14 PM
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2. Smells like stagflation. Nt
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:21 PM
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4. +1 nt.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:23 PM
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6. I'd say "interminable recession" ..slow growth and stubbornly high unemployment.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:45 PM
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8. Economists: Lower growth, higher oil prices coming - AP
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:20 PM
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3. It's 4.45 here in LA
Traffic does seem lighter. Any higher and it would be very bad for the economy.
Driving home yesterday behind a brand new huge Ford 450 wondering what they pays for gas. Yikes!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:41 PM
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7. Doesn't GS own speculative positions in oil futures?
Huh?
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:58 PM
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11. you bet. Back in 2007-2008 they bought oil futures and the commodity and hoarded it
thus driving up spot prices and futures prices. (oil inventories affect short term price moves more than production rates)


http://my.firedoglake.com/ruthcalvo/2010/06/26/oil-hoarding/


In 2008, oil was being stored too. In Fortune magazine, economics writer John Birger wrote in December of 2008;

"‘What’s different now is the structure of the futures market, which is giving big investors an incentive to buy and hold huge sums of crude. Specifically, the November 2009 price of oil is considerably higher ($12 a barrel higher, to be precise) than the spot price – a scenario futures traders call a "contango" market. (The opposite scenario – spot prices higher than futures prices – is known as "backwardation.")

"The steepening of the contango has opened up carry-trade arbitrage opportunities that are slow to be closed due to constrained credit conditions," Goldman Sachs wrote in a recent research report. Translation: this is a great time for investors to be hoarding oil."

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:47 PM
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9. Try It Boys--And We WILL See You Imprisoned
What fuckwits they are.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 09:27 PM
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13. Heard of pump 'n dump? n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 07:17 AM
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15. "Analyst" == "Commission Salesman". nt
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