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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 03:50 AM Original message |
History Professor Takes On Ken Burns' Version of History |
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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you for the recs |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. One could make exactly the same sort of "history" about Nazi Germany, but no one dares |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 06:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. excellent perspective, leveymg. |
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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Right |
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PotatoChip (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Absolutely |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Perhaps. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. IMHO, History is more than the sum of the reassembled individual experiences at the time. |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Coming soon: Ken Burn's presents "Hogan's Heroes - the story of WWII" |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. +6 million n/t |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. They couched their racism in the 19th century glorification of agriculture |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 07:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. But indentured servants could buy their freedom |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
30. Howard Zinn said that in the beginning, both black and white servants were |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I kind of thought that was the case |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. Recommended |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
7. "the legacy of slavery that continued well into the 20th century." |
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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Easily? No: Definitely! |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. The "legacy of slavery" is more than just what's imposed from without. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
33. I agree and it is exposed in Jonathan Kozol's book "Savage Inequalities" |
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Gin Blossom (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
10. Thanks. |
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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Yes, if not the outright Mockery |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
12. It is truly wondrous ... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. While today we would choose to "look forward". nt |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
13. Foote elevated N. B. Forrest to legendary status in that series. |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Having attended the estate sale of Shelby Foote's chattels which defined him |
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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. I did not know that before |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
14. Manipulated racism |
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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. You're most welcome, Sarah |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. I think the confederate poor who fought to protect slavery were dupes |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. yep - they were the teabaggers of their day n/t |
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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Bullseye, RD! |
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Third Doctor (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. exactly |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
24. K&R When re-watching the documentary recently |
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Third Doctor (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-11 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
29. mainly |
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thucythucy (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
34. I've always wondered why James McPherson, author |
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QuintanarooBoy (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. The "not about slavery" crowd is fuckin' nuts |
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GoddessOfGuinness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
35. Wow...I wish I'd seen this sooner... |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
36. Sums up the whole movie... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Do you really think the average Union soldier cared about the plight of the slaves? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Depends, draftees maybe not, ex-slaves surely did, volunteers likely did too. |
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Una_Writer (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:35 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I see little "nobility" in the CSA |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Yep, that's all horseshit. Nobility my ass. |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
38. I am anything but a history professor; |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
41. The prime motivations for that war were the same as most every war, money and resources, |
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ImNotTed (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-24-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
44. Confederate Apologists |
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avebury (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-24-11 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
45. K&R |
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