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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 07:05 AM
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Obama’s “Deficit Now, Jobs Later” Strategy Doesn’t Seem Sound
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/07/15/obamas-deficit-now-jobs-later-strategy-doesnt-seem-sound/

I have not been concerned about this manufactured debt ceiling crisis... In fact... I have thought it was a distraction from what needs to really be happening... A fast track remedy for the middle class....

This article touches on the creation of jobs.... Or the lack of them.... I wonder how a President can take over such a disastrous handling of our countries economy and take such a cool approach to a jobless recovery... Towards the end of this article he does hint that Americans more concerned about jobs...


Americans have been waiting for the tarp bail outs to start reaching their hands..... To start seeing jobs created,,, Instead we get swept up into one manufactured crisis after another... I wonder if we can keep our focus on domestic policies that create stability vs. manufactured crisis that lead to greater burdens for the poor and middle class to burden....
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 07:11 AM
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1. Yeah, remember how well it worked out with....
..."Just let us pass the healthcare law now and then it will be easy to strengthen it later once it's passed!!!"

Riiiiiiiiight.

I'm done with "Trust us....just let us do this thing that Republicans are making us do now and then we'll really get what you want/need done!!!"
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Doctor Hurt Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 07:47 AM
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2. yes, so much time has passed since the healthcare law was enacted
my god, it's been 20 years and no changes, right?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 08:34 AM
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3. recommend
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 08:48 AM
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4. there you go again, picking on republican strategy and philosophy nt
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 08:56 AM
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5. "We'll come back to it at some unspecified future time."
Like that's EVER worked. They know it's BS, and we know it's BS.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 10:44 AM
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6. I'm sure he'll fight very hard for American jobs in 2016
maybe December 31st, 2016 or so
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 12:05 PM
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7. He's not fighting very hard for his own in 2012
I'm predicting a Romney/Bachman win.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 12:15 PM
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8. “Deficit Now, Jobs Later” Strategy Doesn’t Seem Sound"
...that is because it is not sound.
That Republican Philosophy has NEVER worked in the past,
and won't work now.

In a recession and Jobs Crisis,
Government Spending, Strengthening the Social Safety nets, and Government JOBS is what works.
THAT is the Traditional Democratic Party way of dealing with this problem,
and I'm a Traditional FDR/LBJ DEMOCRAT.
I can't and won't support Republican Policy.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone



You will know them by their WORKS,
not their excuses.





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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 12:38 PM
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9. From the link: The People's Budget.
Now THAT was a framework for "taking it to the American People".

Budget of the Congressional Progressive Caucus
Fiscal Year 2012


The People’s Budget eliminates the deficit in 10 years, puts Americans back to work and restores our economic competitiveness. The People’s Budget recognizes that in order to compete, our nation needs every American to be productive, and in order to be productive we need to raise our skills to meet modern needs.

Our Budget Eliminates the Deficit and Raises a $31 Billion Surplus In Ten Years
Our budget protects Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and responsibly eliminates the deficit by targeting its main drivers: the Bush Tax Cuts, the wars overseas, and the causes and effects of the recent recession.

Our Budget Puts America Back to Work & Restores America’s Competitiveness
• Trains teachers and restores schools; rebuilds roads and bridges and ensures that users help pay for them
• Invests in job creation, clean energy and broadband infrastructure, housing and R&D programs

Our Budget Creates a Fairer Tax System
• Ends the recently passed upper-income tax cuts and lets Bush-era tax cuts expire at the end of 2012
• Extends tax credits for the middle class, families, and students
• Creates new tax brackets that range from 45% starting at $1 million to 49% for $1 billion or more
• Implements a progressive estate tax
• Eliminates corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies; closes loopholes for multinational corporations
• Enacts a financial crisis responsibility fee and a financial speculation tax on derivatives and foreign exchange

Our Budget Protects Health
• Enacts a health care public option and negotiates prescription payments with pharmaceutical companies
• Prevents any cuts to Medicare physician payments for a decade

Our Budget Safeguards Social Security for the Next 75 Years
• Eliminates the individual Social Security payroll cap to make sure upper income earners pay their fair share
• Increases benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side

Our Budget Brings Our Troops Home
• Responsibly ends our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to leave America more secure both home and abroad
• Cuts defense spending by reducing conventional forces, procurement, and costly R&D programs

Our Budget’s Bottom Line
• Deficit reduction of $5.6 trillion
• Spending cuts of $1.7 trillion
• Revenue increase of $3.9 trillion
• Public investment $1.7 trillion



Support for the People's Budget

Paul Krugman

“genuinely courageous”

“achieves this without dismantling the legacy of the New Deal”

Dean Baker

"if you want a serious effort to balance the budget, here it is."

Jeffrey Sachs

“A bolt of hope…humane, responsible, and most of all sensible”

The Economist

“Courageous”

“Mr Ryan's plan adds (by its own claims) $6 trillion to the national debt over the next decade, but promises to balance the budget by sometime in the 2030s by cutting programmes for the poor and the elderly. The Progressive Caucus's plan would (by its own claims) balance the budget by 2021 by cutting defence spending and raising taxes, mainly on rich people.”

The New Republic


“In passing, Miller also draws attention something that's gotten far too little attention in this debate. The most fiscally responsible plan seems to be neither the Republicans' nor the president's. It's the Congressional Progressive Caucus plan…”

The Washington Post

"It’s much more courageous to propose taxes on the rich and powerful than spending cuts on the poor and disabled."

Rachel Maddow

“Balances the budget 20 years earlier than Paul Ryan even tries to”

The Guardian

“the most fiscally responsible in town… would balance the books by 2021“

The Nation

"the strongest rebuke...to the unconscionable 'Ryan Budget' for FY 2012."

Center for American Progress

"once again put(s) requiring more sacrifice from the luckiest among us back on the table"

Economic Policy Institute

"National budget policy should adequately fund up-front job creation, invest in long-term economic growth, reform the tax code, and put the debt on a sustainable path while protecting the economic security of low-income Americans and growing the middle class. The proposal by the Congressional Progressive caucus achieves all of these goals."

The Washington Post


“The Congressional Progressive Caucus plan wins the fiscal responsibility derby thus far."

Rolling Stone

"This is more than a fantasy document. It's sound policy."

Forbes

"instead of gutting programs for the poor like Medicaid and Medicare, food stamps, and the new healthcare law, the People’s Budget focuses on cuts in defense. It also doesn’t scrap new financial regulations designed to at least partly stave off another massive financial collapse like the one that put us in this mess in the first place."



http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 12:47 PM
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10. They are putting the cart before
the dead horse.

Peace,
Tex Shelters
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 12:55 PM
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11. "Target what drives deficits. Don't fix what's not broken."
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 01:26 PM
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12. Perhaps, but the '10 midterms pretty much decided it for him
...economists would probably lean toward more stimulus spending, but too many 'baggers - mind-wiped into the absolute and non-negotiable fiscal austerity as the solution - got elected to congress. Of course its not likely to help anything, but try telling that to the people that elected them...
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 02:27 PM
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13. Independents.also. And their overwhelming issue was jobs and the economy.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/07/20/unemployment-fuels-independent-voters-anger/

If their backlash was irrational in the midterms, there is no reason to assume which way they will continue to go in 2012 if the picture isn't much better.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 06:44 PM
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14. Goldman Sachs: Jobs Crisis Will Continue for Foreseeable Future
Edited on Sat Jul-16-11 06:45 PM by midnight
Now that we know this..... We know how and why timmy G. is selling this meme of a jobless recovery... Our President has alread stated that it is not the govt. job to create jobs and early this summer he and chamber of commerce agreed.... This article will tell you more reasons to ponder... But the Govt. will not be bailing out the unemployed... Unless of course they are bankers...



"Goldman even goes so far as to say there’s a possibility of a second recession.

If you’re a political reporter, particularly a right-leaning one like Jim Pethokoukis, you chuckle and marvel at what good news this is for Republicans. If you have an ounce of actual humanity, you see this as an unmitigated catastrophe. By the end of 2012, we will be five years on from the start of the Great Recession. And unemployment will still be at the unacceptably high level of 8.75%, according to this forecast.

Thirty years ago, this was a hair on fire moment for policymakers, a time to try any and every policy available to get Americans back to work. But Republicans see this forecast as their greatest wish realized, mindful of how they can use a crappy economy to take down a President. Democrats who might want to do something about this no longer have the numbers to do so. And the President thinks this time is a unique opportunity to start cutting the deficit, at variance with all economic theory. So the policies on offer in reaction to a truly historic level of unemployment are fiscal and monetary contraction. Krugman writes:"http://news.firedoglake.com/
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:23 AM
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15. If we are going to be in a jobless recovery, then just give us money...
Bail us out like the banks... They don't offer any legitimate work, yet they get paid....
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 05:10 AM
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16. "Tomorrow, tomorrow, it's always a day away."
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:49 AM
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17. The "deficit now, jobs later" strategy is not sound: it's right out of the far-RW playbook
to fuck all Americans not privy to partaking in the feeding frenzy sucking at the public welfare teat reserved exclusively for the uber-wealthy and large corporations. :patriot:
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