Michelle Bachman's Law "degree" is from the unaccreditted Oral Roberts "University"

while her husband, Marcus ("oh they're such Barbarians (ie. savages)"), who claims to be a psychologist, bought some paper from the Union College (Cincinnati, OH), a school that he never attended.




http://arthuride.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/marcus-bachmann-unlicensed-psychologist-fraud-and-husband-of-michele-bachmann/


Bachmann’s degree is not a PhD in psychology. It is a certificate in interdisciplinary studies. What few people are told, and less know, is that Bachmann’s “degree” is unaccredited.

The online college’s doctorate in psychology was denounced by the US Department of Education in 2004 as false. The US Department of Education’s condemnation of the degree the school’s administrators passed on to their “graduates”—which Bachmann ignores.

Marcus has never attempted to register his “degree” with the boards of psychology and counseling in Minnesota. To this day Bachmann is not registered with any of the three boards that certify mental health practitioners and professions in the state. The Minnesota Board of Psychology and the Board of Marriage and Family Therapy confirmed to POLITICO that Bachmann is not licensed with them. A search of the Board of Behavioral Health and Therapy license database returns no result. (Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58291_Page2.html#ixzz1RRNvTtE3

Nice find. K&R

is outrageous. What a couple of crazy scam artists.

These Bachmann idiots go trotting around the country spreading their BS about government waste when they've had their faces in the trough for years.

I've got mine."

Also "Bleed the beast" also comes to mind.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_base.htm

5.4 billion as of 2007 went to welfare for churches.. focused on evangelicals. to create an alternative to public education not teaching the bible.

The excerpts you have posted are about HIS degree, or lack thereof. Not hers.

Marcus claims he can "pray" the gay away.
He ought to be praying to lose some of that fat ass he's carting around.

I'm sure this will be widely discussed on the Sunday morning whore news shows.
Right?


:sarcasm:

right after all the teabaggers are left to scream, unchallenged, about the need to cut grandma's medicare.

ones Sam Brownback used, in his senate offices, to assuage any "Christian" worries that happened to correspond with the Invasion & Occupation of Iraq?

There's an FCC web-resource I which I have seen the station ownerships.

from an unaccredited law school you can't sit for the bar exam and can't assume the title "attorney at law"...is that correct?

And how was she able to practice "tax law"?

or to complete a program partially, then study with a lawyer or judge, before sitting for the bar exam. Those states are California, Maine, New York, Vermont and Wyoming. The site I looked at said there are seven states, but seems to list only five.

I found an article that addresses this:

http://studyfor.com/bar-exam/can-i-take-bar-exam-lawyer-without-going-law-school-234/

Of course, the ABA discourages this.

There are probably other sources that cover it better than the one I found by googling.

I am sure that both the bar exam programs and the ABA expect people to go to accredited programs, regardless.

We should find out when she took the bar exam, and when she received her license to practice.

Her JD is from Oral Robers but is superseded by

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann">In 1988, Bachmann received an LL.M. degree in tax law from the William & Mary School of Law

William & Mary is an accredited institution.

The article referenced does not question her degree.

Michelle Bachman's Law "degree" is from the unaccreditted Oral Roberts "University"

In the end she is still a boob, but intentionally misrepresenting her credentials is a scummy thing to do.

Yeah, right! :rofl:

was backed up by a thorough examination of her educational background - not leaving anything significant out.
There was no evil intent behind this. I did not leave something out intentionally.

Here is what the article said re MB's educational attainments:


"Marcus Bachmann is a man of many deceits and conceits. The husband of Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN), who claims that she is a tax lawyer who studied at the disreputable and unaccredited Oral Roberts University (which has as its motto that it is dedicated to the teaching of “the law from a biblical worldview” (with no allowance for civil law or the laws of a specific nation) at the Coburn School of Law. The Coburn School of Law has had a varied and strange history. It has gone through no fewer than three names including the televangelist Marion G. Robertson Christian Broadcasting Network School of Law before its name was changed to Regent University (the law school made headlines when it was learned that sixty percent of its graduates could not pass the bar examination in Virginia(my emphasis_B USA) (read: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622">Michelle Bachman's Holy War); her specialty is tax law—which she claims to hate—but being a dutiful evangelical Christian wife who follows her reading of the scripture from a literal perspective, Michele does as she was ordered by her equally xenophobic husband."


Yes, I assumed that the article in commenting about MR's educational attainments did not leave anything significant out. So, the question becomes how significant is the fact that she obtained a LLM from William and Mary?

So, with your comment in mind and in the spirit of thoroughness, I checked out William & Mary's LLM degree program. .....Please see next comment.

http://law.wm.edu/admissions/howtoapply/llmprogram/index.php">Apply for Admission to the LL.M. Program


Our LL.M. Program is designed for individuals who have received legal training outside the United States and would like to expand their knowledge of American and international legal systems. The LL.M. Program in the American Legal System begins in mid-August each year and continues until mid-May of the following year. The fall semester ends in mid-December and the spring semester begins in early January, culminating with graduation in mid-May. Attendance at an introductory week focusing on the American legal system is required of all LL.M. degree candidates and is held the week prior to the beginning of fall semester classes. LL.M. candidates usually complete the program in one academic year of full-time study.
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This doesn't sound like a program designed to prepare you for taking any bar exam. It sounds like a 'cruise' program - as many graguate degree programs for those without a bachelors degree in the same area, are.

NOw, back to William & Mary's LLM program:

Degree Requirements:

1.Applicants must take the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) if the applicant's native language is not English or the applicant did not obtain a law degree from a school in which the language of instruction is English. The minimum TOEFL scores acceptable for admission are 100 (Internet-based total), 250 (computer-based total), or 600 (paper-based total). William & Mary may accept a student with a slightly lower TOEFL score in certain cases. However, an applicant with such a score should retake the TOEFL to attempt to improve his or her score. The LL.M. degree program requires oral participation and an ability to write examinations and other papers in English. Your success in the Program depends upon your ability to participate fully in academic life. Only those students who are confident of their command of English should apply.

2.International students must satisfy the U.S. government's requirements for admission into the United States. Admitted international students typically apply for the F-1 student visa or the J-1 exchange visitor visa and must complete the proper financial forms to be submitted with their tuition deposit. You will be sent documents to present at a U.S. embassy or consulate for use in applying for your visa. For additional information, visit the College’s International Student Service website.

3.To graduate, a degree candidate must be in residence as a full-time student for two semesters while earning a minimum of 24 credit hours with a minimum cumulative quality point average of 2.0. At least 15 credit hours must be earned in law school courses and, if approved by the director of the program and the course instructor, up to nine credit hours may be taken in other schools and departments. Three to six credit hours may be earned for graduate legal research and writing projects supervised by a member of the law faculty.
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So, there it is, a two semester program of 24 semester hours, 15 of which must be actual law school courses.

Still think anything significant was left out?


by the way, MB's experience as a tax attorney consisted of four years working for the IRS.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812104576437830202611222.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5

WHITE EARTH, Minn.—Republican presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann touts one job as her primary professional experience before entering politics. On the campaign trail, she describes it as being a "federal tax litigation attorney." Others might call it tax collector.

Ms. Bachmann spent four years with the Internal Revenue Service district counsel office in St. Paul, Minn., from 1988 to 1992, and "worked on hundreds of civil and criminal cases," according to her congressional website.
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http://law.wm.edu/academics/programs/llmdegree/index.php

LL.M. Degree (for non-U.S. lawyers)

Expand Your Horizons

Welcome to the College of William & Mary Law School's LL.M. Degree program!

Our innovative LL.M. program is designed for foreign-educated attorneys who want a comprehensive overview of the American legal system. We have welcomed students from all over the world, from India to China, Czech Republic to Thailand.

http://law.wm.edu/academics/programs/llmdegree/index.php

LL.M. Degree (for non-U.S. lawyers)

Expand Your Horizons

Welcome to the College of William & Mary Law School's LL.M. Degree program!

Our innovative LL.M. program is designed for foreign-educated attorneys who want a comprehensive overview of the American legal system. We have welcomed students from all over the world, from India to China, Czech Republic to Thailand.

to scare the bejebus out of any normal sane person.

J.D. (or LLB) degree in order to be accredited to the practice of law. The question remains as to whether she was ever admitted to the bar in any state. (I don't know the answer, but it would be interesting to find out). With the exception of a few states (California being the most prominent), it is a non-negotiable requisite to have graduated from an accredited law school in order to sit for the bar exam and, if successful, be admitted to the practice of law.

And some lawyers work but don't practice law in states in which they never took the bar exam.

Thanks for looking that us. We're not Repubs here, we don't have to lie to advance our agenda.

I am surprised the husband is allowed to practice, however.

studied at the firm of Fleesum,Shyster,and Slime--

as do they all.

take the bar exam. I looked into it for myself a few years ago -- I forget whether you have to enlist another lawyer to oversee your studies, however.

before you can take the Bar. I'm not sure how it works.

You can eventually take the Bar, but, unless things have changed, maybe only between 40-60%. Just attending a school that is accredited does not guarantee that you pass on the first try if ever, and it's a lot tougher if you didn't attend a really good school.

But things may be quite different in Minnesota.

have to take after their second year of studies. If they don't pass it, they can't continue. Students in accredited law schools only have to take the Bar exam after graduation. The baby bar is a way to weed out totally incompetent students in these sometimes disreputable schools.

California, for instance, allows people like Orley Taitz to take the Bar without a degree from an accredited program. But you can't practice outside of that jurisdiction.

Here is a good article about that "law school":
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2007/04/08/scandal_puts_spotlight_on_christian_law_school/
When Bachmann was a student there (back then it was owned by Oral Roberts -- he sold it to Pat Robertson when God didn't come through with enough cash to keep the "school" from being "called home" to Jesus) it was "provisionally accredited". Which is a story by itself.

The American Bar Association had to amend its accreditation standards to enable the Oral Roberts version of the law school even "provisionally" accredited. I didn't copy the url for the ABA Journal article about the divisive debate, but apparently it was "intense". Which in the shark-eat-shark world of lawyers means that there was some awkwardness on the golf course the next day.

Every law school nowadays (they aren't all as old as Harvard and Yale) is provisionally accredited when they start up. Bachmann was in the first class, but that provisional accreditation lead to standard accreditation, so there is no problem there.

The problem is in the school itself. Dubie Bush made the president of the school his head of federal hiring, which is how so many dunderheads from that place ended up OKing torture, wiretapping, etc. John Ashcroft is now a professor there.

an unaccredited law school (California is the example that comes to mind). But no, if you have not passed a bar exam, you cannot style yourself an "attorney at law". At best you are a J.D. (of LlB).

In many states there is no requirement even to attend a law school in order to become a lawyer.

to sit on the Supreme Court.
Foolish!

Never graduated from law school, IIRC.

Jackson was also chief counsel at the Nuremberg war crimes trials.

As a Supreme Court Justice, one of his best opinions (IMO) was in Zorach v Clauson, where he wrote: The day this country ceases to be free for irreligion, it will cease to be free for religion. Except for that sect which can gain political power.

As an atheist, I've always appreciated that.

But I'd still like to if, when and where she passed the bar.

Her clients were the taxpayers.

although I may be wrong.

that's why most lawyers "specialize". My father was a lawyer, graduated from Fordham Law School, some areas, he would not go near...others, he excelled at. In Lincoln's time, Lawyers generally practiced in all, or at least a large variety of types of law. Today, there are so many laws on the books and interpretations, it would be exceptionally difficult to be an effective "general practice" lawyer taking on a myriad of aspects of the law. One of the reason there are Law Firms is that specialists from various areas can take on almost anything that comes up.

One of the major aspects of law is it's interpretation. What may carry water in one state or district might not go anywhere in another. To add to the soup, Louisiana law is not based on English Common Law, but Napoleonic Law. I had a brilliant Law instructor for Business Law I, and she'd roll her eyes whenever LA law came up...:D

From what I've seen of Bachmann...I would not even inquire about a simple Will...I think she's an idiot.

I used to work with one of the best lawyers in the region where I live. He left school in 1922 to return home to care for his dying mother. He never got a college degree, and never got a law degree. He "read law" with a local judge for a year, and passed the bar exam in 1923.

When my grandmother started driving a car there was no such thing as a "driver's license". Now there is. Times change.

I think her degrees are legitimate. According to the link below, she didn't take the ABA exam and was never licensed for private practice.

http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Bachmann/Biography.php

There are democrats that attend Oral Roberts University...or at least they have a young democrats Facebook page. So, I assume it's not quite as monolithic as it used to be. So, I would hate to throw them all down the drain, just as they're trying to make a difference on their campus.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20286111264

It's her politics that are scary. Well, that and the fact that she won Miss Congeniality. Really? LOL. What qualifications are necessary, I wonder?

but it is a good find. :silly:

I hope this story continues to spread.

he was licensed? If not that could be fraud.

Further, you do not need a PHD to provide counseling and be reimbursed by Medicaid or even commercial insurance carriers. Payments no doubt were made to the clinic as a corporation. The fact that both their degrees come from non-traditional schools will caused closer scrutiny as other primary candidates look for ways to knock MB down a few pegs. There should also be significant fall out from their practice of reparative therapy which has been dismissed by the mainstream mental health community. Imagine the hush campaign that other republicans will wage against Marcus regarding his sexuality whether it is true or not.

And, yes, he and she are both frauds.

What statute do you have in mind here?

Hate crimes are founded in bigotry targeting/ injuring a victim because of his or her membership in a certain social or biological group - eg gender, ethnic, sexual orientation etc.

Marcus' hate-based "reparative therapy" has not only been discredited/ denounced by the Amer Psychiatric Society,they have also labeled it injurious to patients/victims. The therapy seeks to brainwash away its victim's immutable gayness by preaching self-loathing, religious homophobia and societal condemnation. This sure sounds like abuse, causing psyc damage even torture for its gay victims. About as cruel and ignorant and dangerous as an exorcism.

I'd be fascinated to know which section of the Minnesota statutes, or federal statutes, you have in mind here.

Your comment above is not helping me to find the statute you have in mind, which renders Bachmann's clinic to have engaged in a crime.

:hi:

Priceless!!! You're funny!!! Thanks for the chuckle.

Doctor, my ass.

The school closed in 1986 which was the year she graduated.

I thought it was an accredited law school.

I would still like to know when and where she took the test, and when she was admitted to the bar. I don't really doubt that she was.

We should be worried about the other things she has been doing since.

If this OP was misleading, shame on you. I am sorry I wasted my time on it.

Nice find.

Here. Check their listings.

http://www.mnbar.org/search.asp

Apparently a lot of the grads from that "school" take the Virginia bar (the joint emphasizes "government service"). To be a member of the federal bar (i.e., "District of Columbia"), you have to be a member of a State bar. I guess I could try to find a site for Virginia license-lookup, but I'm awfully lazy.
Thank you for your post.

Then I found this--
http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/55082-mn-michele-bachmann-1638471.html

25 years since Michele Marie Bachmann was first licensed to practice law.
State ..............License status ........................Year acquired ....Last updated by Avvo
Minnesota .....Not Authorized - Suspended......1986......................03/01/2011

We have not found any instances of professional misconduct for this lawyer.

I assume since she apparently has no history of public discipline that having a "suspended" law license merely means that she has chosen to be "inactive", and has not paid annual bar dues.

Only a PAIR of them this time.

Next up: Somebody tell me about her heterosexual relationship to the strange man she keeps calling her husband.

Didn't anybody vet this stuff when she ran for political office that high up the chain?

won the election in 2006.

http://www.mnbar.org/benchandbar/2006/jul06/legislative.htm

...don't forget their 900 ft. Jesus!

Jesus'll show all these doubting Thomases,
right before he sends tornadoes, hurricanes, tsunamis, & what-have-you to punish all the immoral 'murikan *sinners*!

:puke:

UGH!

She went to an ABA accredited law school (Oral Roberts) and then got a graduate degree in tax law at William and Mary Law School.

So the takeaway lesson is that in with all that religious bullshit she learned, she managed to leave enough room for the standard law school curriculum and some graduate tax courses. So she might be as bright as the Pope, or a Jesuit scholar or any well-read Muslim cleric. And all of them could be as well versed as any expert in the fields of astrology, phrenology, homeopathy, alchemy, or Freidman economics.

There are people that can show an amazing amount of smarts on a body of material based on the looniest of fundamental principles. These people are not on the cretin-moron-idiot range of the mental faculties spectrum, but fall into a more specific technical term: batshit crazy. I can't begin to count the number of posts here where DUers make this accurate call: "Bachmann?, she's batshit crazy!" Fortunately, there is a therapy, one that works much better than her other half's "counseling". Give her a specially painted Rubic's cube and tell her that when she solves it to reveal the face of Jesus, he will indeed return. Then she won't have any reason to stray from her padded cell.

just post it everywhere as a part of my civic duty.

Dime a dozen.

An Op with 90 plus rec's... with a total bullshit title.

Wow!

I seem to recall a "Thou shalt not" on that subject.

That would be the University of Cultists, Lunatics, and Anuses.

checkbook.

Backmans quote at the debates "We're the head and not the tail", is a Dominionist battle cry.

she has quit her church to prevent More people from associating her to dominionism that wants to overthrow Democracy and create a Faso-Corporatist dictatorship that goes hand in glove with Doug Coe's "C st" Family.. the dominionists are becoming his soldiers.

read this book!!! ~3.50 including shipping it will answer every :wtf: moment you ever had.
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310912126&sr=8-1

http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html

She talks the talk, but she don't walk the walk. Her level of "Compassion" for the fellow man is just about like that of a pissed off church rattlesnake on a Sunday evening at that Jolo WV Church where they dance with the snakes and drink the deadly poison.

Would you pick a pResident out of this crowd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUdc5h10zTo

Dig Daddy Oral at work...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCgxVW3i8JI

Oral's son at work...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JnG6rjVEvE

Oral Roberts to the Rescue?


In 1987, television preacher Oral Roberts made a dramatic appeal. If his supporters did not send donations totaling $8 million dollars within three months, he warned that God would "call me home." There were those who complained that Roberts was extorting his viewers and using the Deity as an accomplice, but there was no doubting his charisma — or his results. Roberts received over $9 million, and God did not call him home.

Now, at age 89, the Tulsa, Okla., university that bears his name has called Roberts home from a California retirement — under the most excruciating of circumstances. On Wednesday, the head regent at Oral Roberts University announced that the school is an astonishing $52.5 million in debt. This news arrived just three weeks after the revelation of a wrongful termination suit filed against the school by three former professors who claim that they were fired after providing the school's Board of Regents with a report detailing moral and ethical lapses by Oral's son Richard, who had inherited the school's presidency from his father, and Richard's wife Lindsay. Among the allegations: the Roberts had remodeled their home eleven times in 14 years with university money; they bankrolled one of their daughters' $29,411 trip to the Bahamas with school funds; and Lindsay Roberts had spent the night in an O.R.U. guest-house with an underage male nine times.

Early in October Richard Roberts, 59, told students the suit amounted to "intimidation, blackmail and extortion," and appeared with his wife on Larry King Live to deny the allegations. Nevertheless, on October 17 Richard took a leave of absence from the university presidency and Oral Roberts returned to the campus chapel last Monday to announce, "The devil is not going to steal O.R.U." He received a standing ovation and was renamed O.R.U.'s co-president, but George Pearsons, chairman of the school's Board of Regents, seems intent on limiting his influence. "He is the founder. He is a great icon," Pearsons told The Daily Oklahoman. "But the bottom line is, any decision is going to come down to the board." The school has hired a Washington, D.C., law firm to run an independent investigation and an audit. It suggested that the professors' case could be solved by mediation, but the ex-teachers' lawyer has so far refused to engage.

The whole affair is a sad denouement for one of the pioneers of televangelism, a man who, in the early 1980s, seemed poised to pull the then-declasse Pentecostal and Charismatic traditions, which emphasize gifts of the Holy Spirit such as healing and speaking in tongues, into the mainstream. Says Randall Balmer, chair of the religion department at Barnard College, who has written about Roberts, "I feel badly for him. This must be a blow." ...Read More



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1677098,00.html#ixzz1SNGevFLk

wealth/power is proof of gods favor of a man, so it is a sin to tax them, the poor are being punished by god so it is a sin to help them... sound familiar.??

this is part of Dominionism, Backmans church adheres to lots of this stuff,

this is dominionism,
http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html

http://blog.buzzflash.com/hartmann/10016

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/09/255389/-Racists-and-dominionists,-part-1:-A-troubling-history

or for the lazy con artists who use it to gain something for themselves, without really doing any honest work for it.

just call yourself a doctor, certify yourself by starting a certification organization yourself and give yourself credentials...the people that go to these clowns are getting ripped off and likely don't even care.

There are so many born again christian nut jobs with phony degrees that it’s a wonder they can think at all. We have two born again self proclaimed ministers in our family but neither of them went to an accredited seminar and they have not been ordained. We even have an self proclaimed engineer who never obtained and engineering degree but had no problem getting hired by an engineering firm which attends the same born again church.


You know when your born again you get a second belly button and arsehole.

And as I was sitting in his office listening to his plan for investing our money I looked up and saw his degree hanging on the wall. He also attended oral Roberts university. Ended up not investing based on his advice. Good thing too, woulda lost a lot of money...

Of course this will be a big part of any debate she has.

So many in America just wants crappy MacDonald's candidates.

:spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's what Rand Paul did

I didn't.

Long story

The OP was wrong about her. The law school was accredited by the ABA at the time she was going there.

Think there may be other misstatements?