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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:31 PM
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Obama is already invoking the 14th Amendment (Jack Balkin)
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 01:06 PM by chill_wind
Friday, July 29, 2011

Obama is already invoking the 14th Amendment

JB

Some Democrats in Congress, including Steny Hoyer, have called for President Barack Obama to invoke the 14th Amendment to resolve the debt ceiling crisis.

What they don't realize is that Obama has already invoked it in effect. Despite his statement that his lawyers told him it wasn't a "winning argument."

What?

Obama has already told bond holders that there will be no default on bonds. He plans to use existing revenues to pay off interest on the debt and other vested obligations. This is required by section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment. Whatever he says in public, his lawyers have almost certainly told him something like that.

But that means less money for other government services, including social safety net programs like Medicare.

So we'll see a partial government shutdown once the government runs out of other options.

This in turn will place enormous pressure on Congress to raise the debt ceiling, which it should have done in the first place
.

the rest at: http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/07/obama-is-already-invoking-14th.html


For the interested, see the rest of what he has written on this saga so far:
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/07/debt-ceiling-crisis-posts.html



Also see this from Bloomberg earlier this morning re:the bondholders

U.S. Contingency Plan Gives Bondholders Priority
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1603742


(link edit)



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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:34 PM
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1. Yep
So, the electric bill goes unpaid? What gets the shaft?

Surely Obama wouldn't stiff the workers, would he?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:34 PM
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2. I think this is reading too much into Obama's words on the author's end.
The way I read this article, what I'm coming away with is that Obama is adhering or promising to adhere to the 14th Amendment or sections thereof, but that's a big difference from invoking the 14th Amendment to fully negate a legislative impasse.

PB
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:51 PM
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7. Some things he wrote on this earlier,
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 01:52 PM by chill_wind
this one in particlular-

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/07/why-obama-wont-invoke-section-4.html

made some sense to me in what his (Obama's) positioning might have been all about up until now. So far, anyway.

disclaimer: Others' mileage may well vary.

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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:38 PM
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3. Polls indicate
Congress has a 16 percent approval rating. Using the 14th would essentially declare Congress irrelevant. 86 percent of the population is already there.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:10 PM
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11. 12 % "confidence" rating in June, according
to this, absolutely scraping bottom:

"Confidence in America's Institutions"
http://www.gallup.com/poll/148163/Americans-Confident-Military-Least-Congress.aspx

I'm thinking if they did it again right now, it would be about half of THAT.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:46 PM
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4. 3 ways Obama could bypass Congress
Article from yesterday

3 ways Obama could bypass Congress
By Jack M. Balkin, Special to CNN
July 28, 2011 10:48 a.m. EDT

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/28/balkin.obama.options/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:58 PM
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5. Treasury May Adopt ‘Risky’ Payment Plan as Deadline Nears
Treasury May Adopt ‘Risky’ Payment Plan as Deadline Nears
July 29, 2011, 7:41 AM EDT


July 29 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. is approaching the moment it may have to decide which bills to pay, a prospect Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner has called “unacceptably risky and unfair” to Americans.

The Obama administration will brief the public no earlier than when financial markets close today about priorities for paying the nation’s obligations if the U.S. debt limit isn’t raised by then, a Democratic official said.

Deciding who gets paid and who doesn’t, a process members of Congress have called “prioritization,” is fraught with politically perilous choices for the administration, forcing it to pick among bondholders, retirees and the military, said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. An administration official yesterday said the Treasury will give precedence to making interest payments on government bonds.


Once you prioritize people, it would scare people and make some very angry,” Zandi said. “If they put the debt payments ahead of Social Security payments, that would create some political repercussions.”

more:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-07-29/treasury-may-adopt-risky-payment-plan-as-deadline-nears.html
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dorksied Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:41 PM
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6. I think that the majority of the country believes that the blame lies with the Repubs,
and if we actually get to the point that social security checks are put on hold to pay the bills, the backlash against the Republican party might kill them, politically.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:02 PM
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8. Bloomberg is already writing Boehner's obituary.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:10 PM
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9. Why do people the budget is just numbers and no text?
The debt interest is mandatory spending. It is treated differently from discretionary spending *in* *the* *budget* *resolution*.

The budget resolution *itself* doesn't say that every dime must be spent, whatever it takes. All the crap that pundits have declared *must* be spent is, according to Congress, the folk authorized by the Constitution to write such things, to be taken out of "additional revenues" as they're "available."

Pomilui nas, tsar' nash batiushka. Slav'te!

Boris Godunov, whatever. Same syllable count.
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Morizovich Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:25 PM
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10. If so, K & FUCKING R!
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