WP:Poll show Bush with solid lead. This is really scary.

With the gigantic disasters in Iraq, in the economy, in education, in the environment, in looting the treasury for the obscenely wealthy, if we can't come up with a way to win this election, we just don't deserve to win.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54435-2004Sep27.html

"I saw what was happening to this economy. It really didn't hit me until it happened to me...."

Sounds like the pain hasn't hit enough households yet, either in the pocketbook or through the death of a loved one in Bush's oil wars. We have an entire nation of people who don't give two shits about what's happening in the world, as long as they personally aren't hurting. As long as they can still get their Ding Dongs and Cheetohs and watch TV, all is right with the world.

I was wondering out loud to my husband last night, WHAT IS THE TIPPING POINT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? HOW BAD DOES IT HAVE TO GET, MY FELLOW COUNTRYMEN AND WOMEN?? ARE YOU ALL GOING TO SIT ON YOUR ASSES AND WAIT UNTIL YOUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE???

When they can't get into their SUV's and drive to the McDonalds at the corner and pick up there Egg McMuffin before they go to work inside their comfy air conditioned buildings.

When the maintenance man can't come up to the fifth floor to fix their cubicle because the elevator is broken.

When their favorite reality show gets cut off for the 100th time due to breaking news to report the 100,000th american soldier is dead.

When they can't walk into their local supermarket chain and buy diapers for their kid because the credit card machins are down.

When the collectors are burning their houses down cuz' they didn't pay the king enough this month.

Washington Post is to the left of the NY Post.

NY Times is to the left of the Wash Times.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/27/prez.poll/index.html

Bush apparently leads Kerry in pre-debate poll
President's approval rating highest since January
Monday, September 27, 2004 Posted: 9:48 PM EDT (0148 GMT)



The poll came out ahead of Thursday's first presidential debate.


(CNN) -- Headed into their first face-to-face debate, President Bush appears to be leading Democratic Sen. John Kerry among likely voters, with a clearer edge among registered voters.

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows that among likely voters, Bush was the choice of 52 percent, while Kerry was the choice of 44 percent and independent Ralph Nader garnered 3 percent. That result was within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

In the broader category of registered voters, 53 percent supported Bush; 42 percent, Kerry; and 3 percent, Nader. That question had the same margin of error.

The poll was taken from Friday through Sunday, at the end of a week in which Kerry ratcheted up his criticism of Bush's Iraq policy. <snip>

http://edition.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/27/tracking.poll/
a CNN-USAtoday-Gallup poll on OCTOBER 20, 2000.


Found on this thread,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x912337#912402

which you should see if you want to get your innoculation against polling bullshit. Links to a stunning article about what they were doing with the polls for the year and a half previous to Bush V. Gore.

Why don't they just admit it? Let all the dead Republicans vote and discount Kerry's voters since they are Democrats and therefore negative on killing people with dominant genetic physical characteristics which had to infuriate Prescott Bush's idol, Adolph Hitler, since his genetically superior race was actually recessive for the most part!

The polls are bullshit. It has been obvious since day fucking one. So why the fuck are people still going by them?

DU has been hysterical for weeks and it's getting really annoying. Just drop the poll bullshit and forget about it. So long as we turn out thats all that fucking matters.

Or is that all you? lol...At least I was the inspiration.

Call me Muse...

Let's just all stick our fingers in our collective ears and run around saying "I CAN'T HEEEAAR YOUUUU - NANANANANANANNANNANA".

That'll make those nasty polls go away.

is that, unlike Gallop, they interviewed more dens than repubs and Bush still has a very comfortable lead....not good for us and the country!

It doesn't matter how much evidence you give them- they'll keep blindly citing cheap media polls that they know (or if they had even a little sense or bothered to read the many things that have been written in DU for years) they'd realize that they're being played-

These polls have proven over and over to be attempts to drive public opinion, not reflect it. But doesn't matter. The addicts must have their fixes.

on some freepers who had invaded my office. They started slinging around swift boat bullshit about Kerry. I challenged their facts and they just went to soundbites like little babies. I said "Since we're throwing soundbites around, how about "Kerry in a landslide!" I yelled it, and then I yelled it again. It felt good. They stopped, looked at me and walked out. It was beautiful. Not sure what it means, but it was great and I still have my job (for now).:)

Gyre

I think fixing every thing with a gun is very big in the US and if your anti-war you are out. So your tax went down with IRS and up every place else. World is less safe, not as clean and the Churches are moving in to get your social life in order so you vote for the man who runs that, I do not understand it but that it what they seem to want.

Horseshit!

... America does not deserve a decent president.

If America is going to elect Bush after the total disaster his term has been, all his fault, America does not deserve better. Period.

And America will suffer terribly during a second Bush term. If he is elected, I am getting the hell out of NYC because I think a major terror attack would be inevitable.

It is incredibly difficult to make any headway against Duhbya because THE PLAYING FIELD IS NOT LEVEL. It is tilted incredibly in Bush's direction. The mass media will say nothing bad about Bush and anything bad about Kerry, no matter what... and they are relentless.

And our system of elections is very, very screwed up. Bush lost the 2000 election, don't forget.

So if America is stuck with Bush, it's because America has it coming. Period.

As has been said before on this board, it is all a matter of turnout.

The polls are usually based upon "likely voters" who voted in previous elections. This year there are much higher numbers of newly registered voters who hopefully will be motivated to turn out.

Also remember that many younger people only have cell phones, and therefore are not called by the pollsters.

Bush's poll bounce after the convention had much more to do with the attack on the school in Russia than upon the Republican's speeches. Women were particularly touched by that tragedy and it put national security on the front burner for them.

All of this 24/7 polling reporting by every media outlet in the country with the exception of Air America, is a big set-up by this administration.

Anyone who has been following reports coming in throughout the country on the number of people both young and old, being registered to vote and the thousands and thousands of volunteers who have never participated in campaigns prior to this election have been encouraged that a sleeping giant has been awoken.

The Florida democratic process was thwarted by tyrants in the 2000 election with the help of the Supreme Court. The blackbox voting with out an auditable paper trail leaves the voting process open to total collapse of our democracy. If the individual State election officials such as Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush knowingly abet the corruption of our election process, and now with the introduction of the electronic voting machines that have been proved to be unsecure and votes can be manipulated, the cancer of Florida can spread throughout our Nation.

We have witnessed first hand what has been done to Dan Rather and his reporting of George W. Bush and his ANG record. The CBS affiliates were given their orders to go on a personal attack against Rather's journalistic integrity. The media whores that had been listed to interview Kitty Kelly and preview her book on the Bush Family were suddenly discouraged from having her on their shows. This administration has very efficiently muzzled our Free Press.

The Polls reflect Bush the winner before the election with the millions of new voters not even considered. Polls taken of 300-500 with questions aimed at the answer desired from registered voting Republicans do not make an accurate nor desireable response.

"IF", the Neocons can convince the American public that Bush was ahead in the polls prior to the election and the talking-heads of the media support the Bush/Neocon administration tactic, than if they are able to pull-off a Harris/Bush, within Georgia, Ohio, etc. with the corrupt electronic voting equipment such as Diebold, than when Bush/Cheney are announced the winners, the talking heads/analyst's/media whores, can pound their chests and pronounce to the American voter how wonderful they are and how they were right on the money with their predictions. That will justify all of these phoney polls and we will have a dictatorship.

Not much of a choice in the matter. Keep in mind the debates begin this Thursday. Things could really turn around there.
By the way, first time poster, long time reader. great to be here. And speaking of debates, I usually write about music for a local paper, but made one of my first foray into politics in this week's issue in a story on history of political debates. Lemme know what y'all think. (Or even write a letter, so we can keep writing about stuff like this).
Cheers!

http://www.southflorida.com/citylink/sfe-cl-cover.story

'bout time you got here. :hi:

I read a post over on Lucianne where they were complaining about the rise in cost of health insurance outpacing the rise in incomes and talking about how much the employers are paying for the employees insurance. They haven't a clue that Bush's plan for health insurance will lead to employers dropping health insurance coverage altogether. People simply do not keep up - they just get it in their head that because they think it's cool to be at war and kicking a-- the thing to do is vote for Bush.

Michael Moore says this >

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-09-20
..."The polls are wrong. They are all over the map like diarrhea. On Friday, one poll had Bush 13 points ahead -- and another poll had them both tied. There are three reasons why the polls are b.s.: One, they are polling "likely voters." "Likely" means those who have consistently voted in the past few elections. So that cuts out young people who are voting for the first time and a ton of non-voters who are definitely going to vote in THIS election. ...

Back to the article >>

" Vyvyan said. "I think he's trying to be everything to everybody, and you just can't." ...

>> So, what he's saying here is it is better to be Nothing to No one?

I live with an 'undecided' (roommate). He's gonna watch the debates.
Kerry needs to SHOW that he is absolutely the better choice!
I have faith.

others believe that whoever folks think is going to win, will win. And the swing voters tend to vote for the one projected to win, per Rove. Kerry in a landslide!

Greg Palast of the BBC reports that 179,855 ballots were invalidated, but none in lily white counties such as in Tallahassee where they got second chances to correct their Republican voting mistakes.

Katherine Harris through ChoicePoint scrubbed an additional 57,000 voters, mostly African Americans, from their right to vote five months before the elections.

The total numbers in the USA are over 2,000,000 spoiled and the majority of those were in African American communities.

Some marks were spoiled if someone wrote "Al Gore" instead of just "Gore".

Kerry should be ahead by at least 20%.

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If that's not enough, I'll just cross my fingers that there will still be a habitable planet left with our democracy still in tact on it in 2006 when we can take back Congress. The Republicans' fraud of an agenda should be completely clear to a majority by then I would hope. What's the point of hand-wringing about the polls? We all know this is going to be a close election and it's neither "in the bag" or unwinnable. Let's just each do what we can and hope for the best.