Sorry, Dr. Rice, postwar Germany was nothing like Iraq.

Hope this isn't a dupe.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2087768/

Condi's Phony History
Sorry, Dr. Rice, postwar Germany was nothing like Iraq.
By Daniel Benjamin
Posted Friday, August 29, 2003, at 4:04 PM PT

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National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice embellished the message with what former White House speechwriters immediately recognize as a greatest-generation pander. "There is an understandable tendency to look back on America's experience in postwar Germany and see only the successes," she told the Veterans of Foreign Wars in San Antonio, Texas, on Aug. 25. "But as some of you here today surely remember, the road we traveled was very difficult. 1945 through 1947 was an especially challenging period. Germany was not immediately stable or prosperous. SS officers—called 'werewolves'—engaged in sabotage and attacked both coalition forces and those locals cooperating with them—much like today's Baathist and Fedayeen remnants."

Speaking to the same group on the same day, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld noted,

One group of those dead-enders was known as "werewolves." They and other Nazi regime remnants targeted Allied soldiers, and they targeted Germans who cooperated with the Allied forces. Mayors were assassinated including the American-appointed mayor of Aachen, the first major German city to be liberated. Children as young as 10 were used as snipers, radio broadcasts, and leaflets warned Germans not to collaborate with the Allies. They plotted sabotage of factories, power plants, rail lines. They blew up police stations and government buildings, and they destroyed stocks of art and antiques that were stored by the Berlin Museum. Does this sound familiar?

Well, no, it doesn't. The Rice-Rumsfeld depiction of the Allied occupation of Germany is a farrago of fiction and a few meager facts.

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Condi and Rummy will say anything, including revising history, to sell their failures.

So that explains the story on the "werewolves" on NPR late this afternoon.


Cher

Soldiers werent being gunned down day by day and dying and one last thing WWII was justifed this little shanagan wasnt.

I was having an argument with someone on this very subject this afteroon. Proves I was right.

I've posted the basic fact a few times on this board - the article is a great help for future Iraq=Germany arguments.

Germany's neighbors were praying for the arrival of American troops.

Iraq's neighbors are streaming across the border to kill Americans.

As Gen. George S. Patton's 3rd Army roared past the vineyards toward Wittlich, near Trier in Germany's Mosel Valley, burghers decided that the war was over. White flags flew from windows, and a 12-year-old boy waving a bedsheet ran to meet the advancing GIs, shouting in his best English, "We surnder, we surnder!"

That's how it went in Germany in 1945. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice spun a very different story last week to the Veterans of Foreign Wars last week. "You will recall," Mr. Rumsfeld said, "that some dead-enders fought on during and after the defeat of the Nazi regime in Germany." Ms. Rice said, "SS officers, called Werewolves, engaged in sabotage and attacked both coalition forces and those local forces cooperating with them -- much like today's Baathist and Fedayeen remnants."
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Werewolves? They were to today's Iraq what the Terminator is to Gen. Patton.
Nazi Propaganda Minister Josef Goebbels dreamed them up, along with an Alpine Redoubt from which the Nazis would fight for 100 years. To be prudent, the Allies had to take the threats seriously. But Goebbels was a failed novelist before he got a government job. He poisoned his children, who could have grown up to be Werewolves, and killed himself in Berlin before the Russians arrived.
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In his memoir Decision in Germany (1950), Gen. Lucius D. Clay, who was military governor of Germany from the start, had nothing to say about Werewolves. There was nothing to say. His top civilian aide, Robert Murphy, recalled (in Diplomat Among Warriors, 1964) that "the Army required extensive German assistance to maintain the cities and villages we had so swiftly overrun. The conquered people obeyed even our severest orders because they considered themselves fortunate to be under western protection."
Do you think L. Paul Bremer will be able to write a memoir of his duty in Iraq without mentioning the Baathist and Fedayeen "remnants"?

Does Ms. Rice? Does Mr. Rumsfeld?

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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/auto/epaper/editions/monday/opinion_f32538dac64e30b210c0.html

Condyloma Rice is a fool. At first I said 'liar', but I doubt she really even knows much about the end of WWII.

I had heard of sporadic resistance after the capitulation of Nazi Germany, but nothing as organized as this tripe makes it out to be. I just about blew a fuse when I heard this on NPR last week.

One of the reasons I like NPR is that I don't have to hear any lying Chimp Pimp propaganda on it.

I think whoever decided they needed to spin this up had just finished watching "The Substitute 4."

but the difference between the German and Iraqi resistance is that the German resistance declined after a couple of months of occupation still happened but not on the same level, while the Iraqi resistance is continues to become more frequent during the occupation.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m1373/10_50/66157021/p1/article.jhtml

Books on the Subject:
"Hitler's Werewolves; the story of the Nazi resistance movement, 1944-1945" by Charles Whiting

"The Last Nazis" by Perry Biddiscombe

"Order of Battle: Hitler's Werewolves" by I. B. Melchior (Fiction but based off of the Authors Experiences in post war Germany.)