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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:11 PM
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I don't believe that veterans are being fooled by the Bushovite...
...propaganda machine one bit:

<From an email sent to me, sorry no link>

Colonel David Hackworth : Friday, November 19, 2004 : "Fallujah: Saved For Decmocracy?"
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:15 AM
..........................The Patriot-News
...................Friday, November 19, 2003
............................Harrisburg, Pa.

.....................DAVID HACKWORTH
..................................<>...............
......FALLUJAH: SAVED FOR DEMOCRACY?

Fallujah predictably fell like a bowling pin,
proving once again that an insurgent force
can't withstand the awesome air and ground
firepower delivered by well-trained, well-led,
numerically superior U.S. combat forces. But
a lot of damn good grunts were gunned down
during their second bloody go at that age-old
bastion of resistance.
In insurgency warfare, taking real estate -
mountain or city - means zilch. Long-term winning
is all about getting the people over to our side.
As a Marine sergeant wrote last week from Fallujah,
" ... for every one killed five more are recruited."
Now, the tough part begins: how to convince
the Sunni survivors to join President Bush's "march
to freedom."
Key to co-opting the rebels who've been supporting
the insurgents is rushing in reconstruction aid right
behind our lead tanks - a strategy that might
incentivize the Sunnis to lay down their weapons
and pick up tools to rebuild their city.
Jobs must be followed with a long-term security
blanket to protect the people from insurgent intimidation
through be-headings, kidnappings, assassinations and
car bombings, and allow them to play their part in
electing a new Iraqi government.
Ideally, this task should fall to Iraqi forces. But so
far their performance, less a few elite units, has been
amateur hour. They failed in the April Fallujah campaign
and again in Najaf and Samarra, where more than 300
Iraqi soldiers beat feet in retreat after the first shot.
Meanwhile, the complete police force in nearby Mosul -
which came under assault while our forces were taking
Fallujah - also cut and ran. Sources working closely with
the Iraqis say that most units are penetrated by informants
who rat out allied movements, plans and precise schedules
before units even leave their assembly areas.
The U.S. 1st Infantry Division initially seized Samarra,
a suburban rebel stronghold northeast of Baghdad, during
a brilliant operation this past September that the U.S.
Command in Iraq under Gen. George W. Casey hoped to
use as a pacification model for restive Sunni Muslims
around the country. But as U.S. forces were taking Fallujah
last week, heavy fighting erupted again in Samarra, killing
dozens of policemen and civilians as well as Gen. Abdel
Razeq Shaker al-Garmali, a top commanding officer of the
Iraqi army.
The policemen were killed when armed militants stormed
police stations, while others died from well-placed mortar
rounds. In other incidents, police reported that a suicide
bomber detonated explosives inside a stolen police car
near the mayor's office, a second car bomb exploded in
a residential area near a U.S. base, and mortar rounds
fell on a crowded market. As usual, the insurgents knew
exactly when and where to attack.
Before the smoke cleared, our grunts were back fighting
insurgents in the city - "liberated" by us only two months
before - while American aircraft patrolled overhead. After
announcing an indefinite curfew, the U.S. military issued
a statement proclaiming that Iraqi security forces and
coalition forces were - again - in "full control of Samarra."
Expect the same hubris in dispatches from Fallujah,
Mosul and other cities in days to come.
In mid-1965, in one of the first large U.S. operations
of the Vietnam War, the commanding general of the
elite 173rd Airborne Brigade declared Vietnam's formidable
guerrilla-infested Iron Triangle to be "no more."
By my count it was retaken at least 20 additional times
and remained a hornet's nest until the end of the war
10 years later.
The new Triangle, the Sunni Triangle, will be an equal
butt-blaster. Yes, it can be temporarily secured, but
until the Iraqi security forces are on their feet - which
won't be anytime soon - expect more than the occasional
bloody reversal. And get ready for security to be mainly
made-in-the-USA, meaning that our forces will probably
be stuck in Iraq for a long, hot spell.
I predicated in my books, "Vietnam Primer," in 1967,
and "About Face," in 1989, that insurgency warfare was
the new face of war. Although these warnings were totally
ignored by the Pentagon, Command and General Staff
College Commandant Lt. Gen. William Wallace did comment
last summer, as Army authors were crashing a new
counterinsurgency manual, "We needed to update the
counterinsurgency doctrine ... that hadn't been looked at
since the post-Vietnam era."
Hopefully our commanders will read it this time around.

--Eilhys England contributed to this column.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Col. David H. Hackworth (USA Ret.) is SFTT.org co-founder
and Senior Military Columnist for DefenseWatch magazine.
For information on his many books, go to his home page at
<http://www.hackworth.com where you can sign in for his
free weekly Defending America. Send mail to P.O. Box 11179,
Greenwich, CT 06831.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:21 PM
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1. With all due respect - this is a fantasy

<In insurgency warfare, taking real estate -
mountain or city - means zilch. >

Well the premise is true...

<Key to co-opting the rebels who've been supporting
the insurgents is rushing in reconstruction aid right
behind our lead tanks - a strategy that might
incentivize the Sunnis to lay down their weapons
and pick up tools to rebuild their city.
Jobs must be followed with a long-term security
blanket to protect the people from insurgent intimidation
through be-headings, kidnappings, assassinations and
car bombings, and allow them to play their part in
electing a new Iraqi government.><snip>

But this part is a fantasy.


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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:23 PM
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2. If a country invades another country for LIE #7 -- to bring democracy
to that country, wouldn't the NUMBER ONE intention be to WIN THE MINDS & HEARTS OF THE COUNTRYMEN? As the Marine Sgt. said, "For every one killed five more are recruited."

That was the goal of the Vietnam war, & in that sense, this Iraq invasion is ten times as disastrous. They call the enemy "insurgents", but we know better: That 90% of them are Iraqi citizens who DON'T WANT THE U.S. (& their 14 new permanent military bases) IN THEIR COUNTRY! They don't want to be westernized -- they want to live their lives in their own way.

And look how Bushitler regards his own countrymen: Does he really like us, does he really care about us, does he really value our democracy? NO. How can he care about a third-world country's welfare? He doesn't. He wants something they have.

As for LIE #1: IRAQ OR SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11.

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