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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:05 AM
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World Eschews (Condi) Rice - Toronto Sun
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Toronto/Eric_Margolis/2004/11/21/724223.html

Condoleezza Rice may be the apple of U.S. President George W. Bush's eye, but in Europe her nomination as Secretary of State is being met with disappointment and dismay.

The long-anticipated resignations of the respected state secretary, Colin Powell, and his tough, able deputy, Richard Armitage, leave U.S. foreign policy in the hands of bellicose VP Dick Cheney and his neocon Pentagon allies. The new National Security Adviser, Stephen Hadley, is a bland functionary well known for being under Cheney's thumb.

Powell, an honourable soldier and gentleman, was humiliated, ignored, and cynically used to sell the Iraq war. He made a fool of himself before the world with his UN presentation about Iraq's supposed arsenal of death.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:09 AM
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1. Sorry, Europe and the World...this is the
best bush could come up with. I swear..I was never embarrassed before by being an American because I know I'm not a part of bush in power but even I'm starting to get embarrassed now.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:12 AM
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2. I couldn't be more ashamed
...of my country's leaders, but more especially of the 58+ million* people who put these fools into office.

* NOTE: Total may be subject to change in the event of an honest count
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:30 AM
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5. I believe Kerry won...but
I saw what happened when Gore won, too.

Maybe the only thing that takes bush down is bush himself.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:21 AM
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3. I do have a question to ask about Colin Powell
Why is he still described as "honorable" when he clearly and unambiguously lied to the world? Doesn't honor have something to do with "untarnished reputation" and "integrity"?
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:27 AM
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4. It was in his power to save us from the Iraq madness and
he did not do it. He has no honor.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:32 AM
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7. Like McCain, he folded
Apparently Bush, Inc. is very skilled at coercion. I have no idea what kind of threats they come up with, but they seem to be very effective at turning otherwise honest people into shills for things they despise.

It's no accident that the Bush family has become so powerful. Dey hov vays off makingk you behafe.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:30 AM
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6. MOre of the same Orwellian
shit that goes on forever.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:35 AM
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8. Rice will discover how weak America actually is
quite soon, when the EU, CIS, and China agree to collapse our economy, and re-build each others.
It will hurt them all, but together, they will rise out of the depression. We, on the other hand, will not.

Canada will leave NAFTA, and join the EU formally, eventually, so will the CIS nations. We will be gone by then, disintegrating into two or three warring nations. With a little skill, the EU can keep us fighting just like we did with the Middle East, perhaps for generations to come.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:38 PM
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12. I don't see how they can do this without hurting themselves.
This is war by the indirect approach much in the spirit of Liddle Hart.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:49 PM
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13. Of course it will hurt them
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 05:54 PM by realpolitik
The may even have to negotiate a common currency, and refuse to take dollars.

But they also see that we intend to punk them anyway.
We are after oil hegemony and we will get there by sucking them dry, then forcing them to cancel our debt.

So rather than wait until we cheat them, they will kill our economy, and agree that they will restart the global economy without us, as a quarantine.

They will hang the middle east out to dry, selling oil in useless dollars, becase Europe and China will be buying CIS oil. Canada will start gasifying their oil shale...
If they can do that for a year of two, there will be no America left, merely a bunch of states fighting a bloody civil war against themselves.

Don't believe me, get out the Risk board and try it yourself.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:21 PM
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14. The question is how aggressive ** will become.
I doubt we have any allies left. The UK will also leave without collecting benefits.

As far as the divisions in America go re-election of Bush was a missed chance at a latter day Missouri Compromise.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:28 PM
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15. We will have Saudi Arabia and Kuwait
as long as their corrupt autocratic regimes last.
I give them less than a year.
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poppet Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:59 AM
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9. I don't read pro-* blogs
but I can't imagine on what basis they support him. Around the corner from my house, there is a really run down house with a "privacy fence" around it made from scrap wood. I don't know if these people have money or not, but they do have a "*/Satan" (it really doesn't say Satan, but you get what I mean) sign sticking out from above the fence. I can't imagine why these people, or any other average American would support *. Are they all stupid? How do they justify the war? the deficit? the lying? the incompetence? the lawlessness of the * administration? I think they must not realize that supporting a person in and of itself will not win the war, improve the economy, etc. They must think that if they only support *, then that will be enough. Of course, they (* supporters) are wrong and will know it - only wish it had been sooner.
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VivaKerry Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:02 PM
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10. The world is throwing nuts at Condi???
*sorry, couldn't resist. most bush supporters only know the word cashews...

I love the Toronto Sun -- they have great editorials. Love that reality based thinking stuff!
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:45 PM
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11. Condi lacks a poker face!
She will be eaten alive! I can't imagine a world leader who harbors any shred of respect for the weasly sychophant.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:56 PM
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16. Interesting in that the Toronto Sun is one of our most conservative
rags. Gosh, now our right despises your right... I'll take it!
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