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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:10 AM
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Newsweek: Rove Unleashed (plans for a permanent GOP majority)
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 11:13 AM by kskiska
For the past 30 years he's focused like a laser on George W. Bush. What does Karl Rove do for an encore? The plans for a permanent GOP majority

By Howard Fineman

Dec. 6 issue - It was the day before Thanksgiving, November 1973. Things were quiet enough at the Republican National Committee for the chairman to spend a few minutes on parental logistics. His eldest son was taking the train down from Harvard Business School and would need the family car for the weekend. Would the young aide deliver the car and the keys to Union Station? Years later, the aide describes what happened next in the kind of sunlit, slo-mo tones they use in movies. "I'm there with the keys and this guy comes striding in wearing jeans, cowboy boots and a bomber jacket," he recalls. "He had this aura." Which is how 22-year-old Karl Christian Rove met 27-year-old George Walker Bush.

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Given the story line—the long journey from train station to two-term presidency—the most consequential questions in American public life may be these: What is Rove up to now? And will he succeed? For more than three decades, he had one mission: to get Bush elected and then (in a first for the Bush family) re-elected. Now comes the reward: the surpassingly difficult task of governing for the sake of history, not mere victory.

In modern times there has never been anyone quite like Rove, possessing such a long working relationship with and influence over a president—a newly re-elected one who will wield an expanded majority in Congress. "I've been searching for a parallel figure," said Marshall Wittmann, a political strategist and writer. "The closest is Bobby Kennedy in his brother's administration. But even that doesn't get it. Because as loyal as Karl is, his political ambitions extend beyond one family."

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In the meantime, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee is regarded by colleagues as a subsidiary of Rove Inc., following the Architect's plan to hem in Sen. Arlen Specter's power as chairman of the judiciary committee. Rove also has a close operational and conservative philosophical bond with Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania. At the same time, Rove has worked well with two cultural moderates: former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Even Sen. John McCain has patched up relations with Rove (strained to the breaking point in the 2000 campaign), spending long hours with him and the president on plane and bus trips in the final days of the 2004 race. "If you spend three days on a bus trip with someone," Rove says, "you really bond with them."

more…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6596809/site/newsweek
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:12 AM
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1. and hey we own the voting process and the press
so pack your bags democrats, democracy no longer exists
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:31 AM
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2. Well there is matter
and anti-matter. There is yin and yang.

We need an anti-Rove. Anybody fit that description?
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:41 AM
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3. Bill Clinton
He needs to get back in the trenches.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:42 AM
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4. Anti-Rove...
Anti-Rove, Anti-Reed

I don't think it is a good long-term strategy to get someone who would be so ruthless as to cause deaths of people (Rove). We could use a dynamic Christian with liberal values for sure!
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:05 PM
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5. Rove one major problem
His GOP can win elections but they can not run a country without destroying it. He is not an expert on running a country -- he doesn't know how.

Facts:

1) Since BushCo took over we are hated by the World and the World is manipulating their economies to disrupt ours.

2) Bush uses three controls to stimulate the Economy: float the dollar in a weakened state to increase exports; decrease taxes on rich and corporations; and borrow and spend.

3) Use fear and division in the country to stay in power.

4) Ignore (or destroy) public education, social programs and the environment: areas that directly affect the young and increase the impoverished class.


None of these activities are positive and in the long, and even short, run will create extreme conditions that can not be ignored and will come storming back to destabilize our country even more.

Rove's thing is psychology and manipulation to produce a specific image and get THAT image elected. When people tire of war, economic stagnation, corporate/religious control they will seek better solutions.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:19 PM
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7. what makes you think they don't know this?
What makes you think any of that -- or that it's bad for the country and destabilizing for the country -- is unintended?

Really.

Comes a point when you HAVE to realize that they know what they're doing, and that their goals are way different from ours.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:00 PM
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11. Stability is desirable and physics of economics demands it
They will lose in the end if they want terminal instability. Short term gain, long term destruction if they continue.

The only draw back I can see is that they have no qualms about destroying the USA.

BTW Eloriel I see now how you got that high post count :-)
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:09 PM
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15. Instability allows the wealthy to buy up assets very cheaply, thus
increasing their wealth.

It's another "transfer of wealth" plan. They've got lots of them and they knowhow touse them.
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:23 AM
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16. Instability also increases the chance of a revolution in which
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 05:37 AM by Vitruvius
the wealthy get their heads chopped off. But the Rethug rich are too short-sighted to see that. And the rest of us may yet pay a horrible price for their stupid greed, for a revolution is a WAR -- a civil war -- which is the bloodiest kind of war there is.

Joe Kennedy (the father of JFK) was a wise man -- when the Great Depression took hold, he supported FDR and the Dems -- including taxing people like himself to help pay for relief programs and the WPA; he famously told FDR "I'd gladly give up half my fortune to be sure of keeping the other half."

Squeeze people hard enough and you eventually get an explosion. Wrecking the economy and destroying peoples' lives for personal profit is the very best way to foment revolution. But boy geniuses like Karl Rove (with his loose talk of revolution) and greedy dimwits like Bu$h, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are too stupid to understand that.

And if it happens, the rest of us will have to deal with the wreckage for the rest of our lives.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:08 PM
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6. Ah, totalitarianism.
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 12:32 PM by Eloriel
Ain't it great?

Edited: someone really needs to educate Fineman on what, exactly, fascism is all about. From the article:

In fact, Rove's formulation is a new hybrid, willing to use big government in the service of markets and morality.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:49 PM
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10. The Only Way Rove Could Get His Permanency
Is to permanently destroy this country. And so far, he's doing a GREAT job. He's taking the guts out of education, so that children and their parents know nothing, have no tools to think with, and no ideas about right and wrong, except as revealed in Old Testament (that great mouldering heap of sinful examples).

He's destroying the economy, so that all will want for basics: clean air, water, healthy food, basic public health measures and medical care, employment and living wage, old age retirement other than by death. Families will disintegrate further, because the social/economic glue that holds them together will be washed away.

He's demolished the concept of representative democracy (and he's had LOTS of help, from the Supreme Court down to Tom DeLay), although I think he's tending toward feudalism, as opposed to a more Libertarian anarchy.

Worst of all, he's distorting self-image and sex roles, shaming men into supporting him, degrading women into silence.

Brothers and Sisters, refuse to participate in your own enslavement! We must fight Rove and his puppets! We must fight them in the homes, in the schools, in the streets, in the factories, and in the government. WE MUST BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE WILL NOT TAKE HIS DIRECTIONS, AND WE MUST TEACH OUR NEIGHBORS WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW HIS LEAD, EITHER.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:11 PM
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12. He has it
Millions of ignorant fools are braniwashed by the ASSemblies of God, Southern Fried Baptists, and the Prosperity Gospel fools (Robertson, Falwell, Benny Hinn, Paul and Jan Crouch and thier slime).

Millions of idiots have surrendered their cerebrum to Jesus. They really beleive Jesus is coming back in a week to take them to heaven. They all vote straight Republican because Jesus tells them to.

I know because my whole family is lost to Jesus. All of them sprout the party line that the more difficult their life is, the sooner Jesus will come and take them away.

You cannot reach them

That is why I have given up and I'm working for secession in Califonia. Let Rove have Jesusland. I'll work with others to secede.

Do I have anything left in America? No. Bush put my only son in a VA cemetery. I have nothing left to lose except the chains that Nazi RepubliKKKan Christianity is putting on me, and the chains they put on me in the name of Jesus get heavier every day.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:35 PM
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14. My Friend, I Grieve With You
You aren't the first nor the last. We probably all have a story of being screwed over by Bush. I know I have.

You do what you can, and I will do what I can. Perhaps we can help ourselves by helping each other and bring these madmen down at last.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:28 PM
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13. Time for a Rove-style smear campaign of Karl Rove
Personally I am glad Dems have tried to stay above the smear tactics of Rove, Murdoch, Scaife, et al.

But maybe we ought to make an exception just this one time.
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