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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:10 PM
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Is Bush the Antichrist? (Seattle weekly)
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0449/041208_news_antichrist.php


Is Bush the Antichrist?
The Christian right and the Christian left are engaged in a debate over who 'owns' Jesus—and whether Dubya is a force for good or evil.

by Tim Appelo

When President George W. Bush was appointed by five Supreme Court justices in 2000, right-wing Christians sang hosannas for the triumph of God's will over the electorate's. "President Bush is God's man at this hour," said Tim Goeglein, Bush's liaison to evangelicals. Though the Methodist president dishonestly conceals the whole truth about his apocalyptic religious beliefs, he has acted as an evangelist in office. As Esther Kaplan demonstrates in With God on Their Side: How Christian Fundamentalists Trampled Science, Policy, and Democracy in George W. Bush's White House, he's doled out millions to far-right Christian groups, systematically crushed secular left and nonright mainstream organizations from Head Start to the Audubon Society, and replaced policy and scientific experts with comically ignorant yet politically cunning fanatic provocateurs. Out with the American Medical Association, in with the American Family Association. Before Bush, the Internal Revenue Service hounded the Christian Coalition; now that Bush is, in extremist Gary Bauer's opinion, the de facto leader of the Christian Coalition, the government selectively harasses non-Christian groups, and a rightist apparatchik tried to sneak through Congress a bill legitimizing the kinds of politically targeted IRS abuses that would have made Richard M. Nixon proud.

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"Kids growing up in Church of Law families nowadays think that the only two sins, or at least the only two really, really important ones, are having an abortion and having gay sex," Bawer told Seattle Weekly. "The notion that love, tolerance, and inclusiveness are moral values has been dropped down the memory hole."
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Perversion of Christian Faith?


"Bush is one of the key figures leading the church away from Jesus," says Christian author Don Miller, who wrote the nonbluenose Christian best seller Blue Like Jazz. Miller is no pantywaist—he had the balls to run a ministry at Reed College in Portland, Ore., which is so godless that its soccer team is said in campus legend to have once staged a halftime crucifixion in a game against a Christian school. But he couldn't stomach it when, for instance, Texas Gov. Bush not only allowed the execution of his fellow born-again Christian, the penitent ax murderer Karla Faye Tucker, but made vicious fun of her on TV ("Please don't kill me!" Bush said, mocking her prayerful plea for God's mercy). Miller classifies Bush Christians as modern Pharisees—the allegedly proud, rigid, legalistic hypocrites John the Baptist called "a generation of vipers." "The worst condemnation that Jesus has for anybody, I mean the worst, is for Pharisees," says Miller. "If you asked Jerry Falwell who the Pharisees are in our society, they can't point anybody out." There are no mirrors in Bush's church.

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an enormous, fascinating article.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:11 PM
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1. I'll read it.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:14 PM
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2. Give this another year.
The fundies will get a lot of lip service and will turn on **.

Then we will see who is called the Anti-Christ.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:14 PM
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3. "Half-time crucifixion"?????
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:46 AM
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24. Sounds pretty violent..
.. but then again, if their opponents were a die-hard fundie christian school, that half-time stunt might have been enough to make them lose their mind.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:17 PM
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4. Old Article: Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends
WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel."

The pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim they had not seen the pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the pope did convince the leaders of Mexico, Chile, Cameroon and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:30 PM
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11. Silly me. I wrote him begging him to send a delegation,...
,...to act as human shields advocating that such an act would at least delay if not prevent this travesty.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:20 PM
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5. "Scott Baio is the antichrist"...Bobcat Goldwaith
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:38 PM
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13. and Bush is "the Eggman" ku ku ka ju
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:21 PM
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6. Was this part really broadcast? Anyone got a link???
>>but made vicious fun of her on TV ("Please don't kill me!" Bush
>>said, mocking her prayerful plea for God's mercy).

I thought that was just from an interview with *ucker carlson.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:23 PM
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7. bush could be considered an Antichrist
in that he twists Christs teachings into a pretzel. but do you really think that bush is anything more than a puppet for rumsfeld or whoever pulls the strings.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:25 PM
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8. Well, he IS anti-Christ. Is he THE anti-Christ?
I suppose only the Christian community will ultimately judge that,...for themselves.

However, I have heard a LOT of Christians express their belief that he is that formidable foe called the anti-Christ.

Personally, I perceive him as an empty shell and those who surround him representative of the worst and most evil human elements. On the whole,...I'd classify them as dwellers of darkness.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 12:11 AM
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21. Which are supposed to be the precursors of the Anti Christ.
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 12:12 AM by tsuki
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samwisefoxburr Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:26 PM
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9. Some religious people on my line at the factory think so.
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et in Arcadia ego... Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:27 PM
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10. No, he's the AntiPretzel. /eom
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bywho4who Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:38 PM
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12. Hell No !
But he knows him /S&B HEADMASTER is your perp:grr: :evilgrin:
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:38 PM
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14. halftime crucifixion
Wow, that is pretty bizarre.

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:39 PM
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15. Bumper sticker seen today:
Setting: B/C sticker on left, some tiny impossible-to-read thing with a cross on it on the right. And right smack-dab in the middle of the back window was...


...Member of the Presidential Prayer Team

:evilfrown:
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KingChicken Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:48 PM
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16. Yes, Bush is the Third anti-Christ ("He will appear as one of us.")
I usually don't like to get into prophecy or myth, but everything you read about the coming of the third anti-Christ fits Bush perfectly.

The key feature: deception (For the Christians: If you know how the Bible explains the Armageddon then you know that the final anti-Christ will appear as a Christian, possibly much like Christ himself, but will use deception to turn the Christians on themselves, only the "true believers will survive", those who are not deceived. I believe that many Christians in this country are turning on their own principals, they are being deceived.)

Maybe horns will pop out of his head soon, and all his staff will turn into midget daemons with miniature pitch forks.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:49 PM
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17. Robertson wanted prayers for God to give the Supremes cancer ...
... and somehow it was Rehnquist who got it.

"... Televangelist and onetime presidential candidate Pat Robertson once rallied millions to lobby God for the deaths of liberal Supreme Court justices, recommending prayers for coronaries and cancer. "We ask for miracles!" preached Robertson."
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morcatknits Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 12:01 AM
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20. You may be on to something, here...
If we could just set old Pat and his bunch to praying for the ones we want to get rid of... He's so delusional, there's no telling what he actually asks the Lord for. I heard him say on tv last week that "for 6000 years the definition of marriage was one man and one woman!" That pretty much wipes the patriarchs and their multiple wives off the map. No, we can't rely on Pat.
morcatknits
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:53 PM
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18. Bush? -- nothing more then a "Con"
If he can get away with it he will...if he knows he can't he blames it on anything else, or create some terror-yarn...!
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:55 PM
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19. Praise Jesus Bush
amen Jesus Bush my anti-Christ lord and savior. We shall follow thee as thou leads the faithless into the pit. amen Jesus Bush
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 12:40 AM
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22. if u don't read the story, you still gotta see the picture. check it out
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 01:26 AM
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23. Love the cloven hoof.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:13 AM
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25. Of course he's fucking evil.
Edited on Fri Dec-10-04 02:14 AM by pinniped
This asshole just orders death and destruction. Peace presidunce my arse.

- Kills oceans
- Kills forests
- Kills animals ( salmon, grouse, wild horses etc... )
- Orders genocide
- Too many to list...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:20 AM
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26. Yep. He's an anti-chist.
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I Love Alaska Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 02:49 AM
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27. Bush is everything that Christ was not.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 04:48 AM
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28. He well could be
He is definitely those most vile execuse for an American head of government in the last hundred years.
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