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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:09 PM
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My husband's company is concerned about my Politics
Over dinner tonight my husband's boss talked about what would it take to convert me to Republicanism... This fellow has an autographed book from Annthrax...He even lives in the neighborhood where Ralphy Reed does..

ICK!

My husband laughed at him... just laughed...told him it would never happen and it won't.

What is it with these freaks?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:11 PM
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1. Rots of Ruck!!
Why don't they change?

Come out of the Dark Side?
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:25 PM
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26. HERE'S WHAT YOU TELL HIM
When George W Bush creates 1 job in this country I will think about it. So considering 3 million jobs have been lost, that's a pretty in your face comment.

That should quiet them up.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:11 PM
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2. watch what you say and watch what you do
head down, lips closed, keep job, live longer.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:13 PM
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5. I am a Democratic Committee Woman
I do a fair amount of volunteering... there is no way I am backing out of my political convictions. As a granddaughter of immigrants who fought like hell to come here I will not give up my rights.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:31 PM
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28. say it loud and proud then, heart!
sue them for wrongful termination if they retaliateWe have to speak up to keep our rights!
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:12 PM
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3. In the old universe I would say he has overstepped his
bounds. In this new one, we may all be Republicans whether we want to or not for survival one of these days. What a nerve!
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:15 PM
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8. the funny part is that my husband is as liberal as I am
but they sure don't like me...

his immediate boss likes to lure me into arguments and then backs out when he doesn't know what he is talking about.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:22 PM
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25. Your boss' neighbor, Raph Reed, is the Christian conservative
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 10:22 PM by oasis
who's campaign strategy was to falsely imply that disabled war veteran,Senator Max Cleland was unpatriotic.

Stick that up his nose in your next polite conversation.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:43 PM
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32. oh that is good... I must use that one
boy that is something for old Reed to be proud of ...picking on someone who actually served his country

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:13 PM
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4. Here's a comeback
Tell them that if all pubies were like Shelby of Alabama (who wants the 9/11 report released) you might give it some thought.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:14 PM
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6. yeah... hell I would take a Goldwater Republican or a
Rockefeller Repuke over these Facists in the White House now...
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 09:04 PM
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20. Shelby is running for reelection and is positioning himself to go either
way. Remember he was elected as a Democrat and jumped to the Repub side. He's an opportunist, but his attempt to position himself suggests AWOL has some risk.

Also, Shelby was head of the Senate Select Committee on intelligence before 911 and would have seen all the briefings on potential threats. Any way you cut it, Shelby was responsible for oversight of the executive branch on intelligence issues. He and his select committee were also derelict in their duties.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:11 PM
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22. Shelby is a rat poised to jump if the ship starts to go down
I am proud to say I've never voted for him and never will. He goes with the prevailing wind, but his ture colors are Republican. His only concern is his own continued political power and his war chest.

Every Alabama voter should read this:

http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/10/1008.html

There are two sides to every story, and the man's son in this story may not be as pure as the driven snow, but that doesn't diminish Shelby's incredible hypocrisy on the issue of drug sentences.
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:14 PM
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7. Because of DU, I am soooo well informed
that I can take on anyone, anywhere, anytime.

I don't take this crap from people anymore. If they want to get into it with me, I'll be glad to get into it with them. I have made
many people back off because they don't know the truth like we know it.

I have earned more respect but not backing down than I ever did by sitting in silence.

Next time you get a subtle hint, just tell them (in the words of our
fearless leader) to "Bring It On".
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:17 PM
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11. most freaky neocons don't bother with me anymore because they
"Can't take the Heat"....

my husband explained what a shrill shrew fascist Annthrax was to this guy an he was all..."Oh its just an act..." " She couldn't have possibly said that..." blather blather..
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:19 PM
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24. Hi De Ho! Good for you!!
Give 'em hell!

Bake
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:15 PM
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9. Hmmm, sounds like
a bad 50's Sci-Fi movie. Only this time the pods are a LOT more polite before they snatch your body and soul.

Of course you could have smiled sweetly, batted your eyelashes, and said "Giving my husband a 6 figure raise would be a start".
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:16 PM
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10. it concerns me
I figure that if i start work again in a senior management role like i have before publishing on DU, that i will have to stop writing here... or at least writing anything that might be politically complex were it publically reported.

Such is the reality of free speech... we have the right to speak freely, but we have no rights to work.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:18 PM
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12. i have been published six times
in our paper which has a circulation of over a million...so a quick search of the web will locate those editorials..

My boss doesn't care...he is a centrist democrat that likes to ruffle my feathers sometimes...but he and I get along.. I am the "token liberal" at my company...and no one fights with me about it.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:26 PM
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14. if i ego-surf my own name on the search engine
it comes up with my own published academic and professional work... not my political rantings. Surely a boardroom exec is more of a liability if he/she is actively putting 1000's of unedited words in to the public domain regarding socialism and the like..

That is to say, that i value free speech very highly, but i also value being in the boardroom. If i have to put a lid on it here, i'll write a book... so the inspiration is not lost... just i feel, despire the appearant irrelevance of this forum, that writing here is critical to the effort on behalf of "the enlightenment" to throw off the chains of bush-slavery.

For every one of us who chooses to shut up for a job, 10,000 more invisible slaves get another lashing.
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:52 PM
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19. What about a pen name?
They have a long-standing and noble tradition. If you really are afraid of repercussions, don't stop expressing yourself just do so under a cover name.
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quilp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:19 PM
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13. There is a lot of this kind of cohersion in Corporations.
The ones who don't talk politics are usually Democrats who, quite rightly, fear for the income that supports their family. There is a lot of unspoken and subterranian fear in this "land of the free". We have freedom of speech as long as we all read from the same script.
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SummerGrace Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:36 PM
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15. At our local Walmart
they had a grand opening - the high school band played and then there was a prayer said for their "competitors", which are our local businesses that have supported families for years. Our economy is so bad that Walmart has no problem filling their $7/hr jobs and I guess you don't work there if you don't agree with praying for the families put out of business.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:38 PM
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16. It could happen if Republicans started supporting the things
that Democrats support.

There actually was a time when moderate Republicans were more for progressive issues than Southern Democrats. Of course, that was the time when there actually was such a thing as a moderate Republican.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:46 PM
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17. Did this guy have two horns on his head and a goatee mustache? n/t
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:47 PM
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18. What these kinds of incidents prove to me
is that we have to become as bold & out front with OUR politics as the right has become with theirs. Can you imagine the situation being reversed? Would you, bleedingheart, ask him what it would take to convert him? Probably not.

Driving through Wyoming a couple months ago, I was totally struck by all the phony patriotism bumperstickers, etc. I thought then that my little Gandhi quote bumpersticker accompanying my "Fredeunthal Dem for Governor" were clearly insufficient. When I got home I ordered 3 square bumperstickers: No War, Teach Peace, and Wage Peace. I'm glad to know that my views are as clear as the flag-wavers.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:47 PM
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34. I agree we must be upfront and honest
to hide our beliefs is to succumb to the same situation that occurred in Nazi Germany.

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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 09:42 PM
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21. Just proves that fools in their folly
always want company. :eyes:

Speaking as one whom a relative tried to convert.
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Ein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:14 PM
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23. Good restraint.
I wouldn't have been able to keep my mouth shut. You're away from em, you're a liberal, your husband has a job still, and his boss(es) are still assholes.

Sounds like a beautiful world :)
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:28 PM
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27. Degrees of delusion and the depth of belief
There is a condition that occurrs in various cults. A person gets sucked in so far and commits so much of their belief to it that even when things get bizzare they cannot back out of the belief.

Consider Scientology. It starts off simple enough. A few classes on confidence building and self awareness. Eventually after 1000s of dollars they tell you that an alien named Xenu is the cause of all the worlds problems. By this time they are so mentally invested in the delusion they cannot see their way back out.

I have debate religion for a very long time. One of the things I have learned is that presenting a true believer with facts that conflict with their beliefs will never dislodge their beliefs on their own. It takes a build up of information that does not threaten their core beliefs combined with a sudden loss in faith in the belief system. An emotional shock of some sort often acts as the trigger. Once the belief loses ground a bit the insite from other positions has a chance to gain a foothold.

All this is due to the manner in which the brain works. Our brains are learn things by emotionally weighting events. The stronger the emotional tie the more mental landscape it holds. Thus well proven facts can face insurmountable opposition in the form of deeply held beliefs.

The best way to change someones position on deeply held matters is to present yourself honestly, forthrightly and as a friend. Do not use anger or intimindation to present your case. Simply keep a steady stream of information flowing and be a friend. The trust developed will enable your positions to come forward when they encounter some manner of personal crisis that challenges their world view.

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:45 PM
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33. It is really odd how some people feel compelled to
convert others...

I have always respected people's beliefs which is why I am a Democrat. No matter how much I disagree I don't spend my days trying to bring them on to my team... however I will present my thoughts if confronted.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:51 PM
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35. Humanity
We are social creatures. It is our common humanity that binds us together. When we see someone on what we believe to be a path leading to harm we attempt to guide them away from it.
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:33 PM
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29. Repukes want power over the "little" people.
It would give him his daily orgasm to convert a sinning democrat.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:37 PM
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30. Just tell him...
"Hell, even Republicans aren't Republicans anymore."

If asked to explain, just tell him to think about it and say what nice weather you're having.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:37 PM
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31. dont let em bleedingheart
Is your husband dem?
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OrdinaryTa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 10:54 PM
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36. Ann Coulter's Idea of a Liberal
Ann Coulter's idea of a liberal is ... Dan Rather. That tells you she doesn't get out much. If hubby's boss paid for Coulter's book, he's a very gullible individual.
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