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brainwashed_youth (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:01 PM Original message |
What makes Nazism right-wing |
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OhioStateProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. in truth |
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SlavesandBulldozers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. exactly right |
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9215 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
82. Ooops. See below |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. Some information |
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brainwashed_youth (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. OMG..... |
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elfwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Tell your friends |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Nazism must never, ever again take hold on this planet |
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elfwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. and yet... |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. and worse is that many DO in fact see it |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. Its role as the last line of defense for capitalism |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. that pretty much says it all... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 03:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
74. Yep. Don't forget violent reaction (nt) |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:07 PM Original message |
Nazis were a political party who chose fascism as their platform |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. politicalcompass.org |
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elfwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. They were fascists |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Classic example of the typological treatment |
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LiberalEconomist (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Given some of the underlying characteristics of fascism/Nazism |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Not true |
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LiberalEconomist (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Rational Rose |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. I have an MA in History and none of my sources draw the same conclusions |
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Flubadubya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. So much for "healthy debate" RR... |
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LiberalEconomist (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. LINKS? |
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LiberalEconomist (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. By the way, |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Because you made the assertion |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I really don't care for economic liberalism |
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LiberalEconomist (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. Economic Liberalism |
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Pax Argent (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
87. With enough money in the "right" pockets, all things become possible! |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
67. websters |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. The more rightward you go the more selfishness becomes significant, |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. And who defines the "common good"? n/t |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. well, the community of course. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. That sounds bass ackwards to me |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. Great points - re: Communism - I think that fell out in practice |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 06:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
77. You've got it ass-backwards. |
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Cassandra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
78. You're using a definition of leftist... |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 10:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
89. Don't bother debating with this troll |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
61. odd |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
10. The obvious thing is that it was anti-left |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. The scale? |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. History Does! |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. This doesn't stop Freeps and Neocons |
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elfwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I've always been confused by that... |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Oh, it certainly is |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. lets not forget Henry Ford too... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 11:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
90. Tell them that times change... |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
21. Some folks touched on this.... |
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LiberalEconomist (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Soviet Union |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Also Marxism/Leninism had little to do with Stalinism |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. I wouldn't say that.. |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. True |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. I think that's more a symptom.... |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. This is true.... |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. That's Because the Soviet Union Was a DICTATORSHIP |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Totalitarianism is the term, I think |
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Sir_Shrek (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. Here's a quote... |
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Go Eagles (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. Why fascism is at the right |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
25. Its generally considered extreme right wing |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. I guess the petty-bourgoisie hated losing control to the proliteriate |
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MacCovern (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
32. Nazism, other than being Fascist is tough to label |
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fishguy (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Nazism was easy to label |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Well not friendly to laissez-faire capitalism |
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fishguy (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 08:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
69. Nazis let the extremely wealthy keep property/business/capital for their |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
39. Under the current usage of the terms... |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. Excellent post, hit the nail on the head |
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DoctorMyEyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
40. Watch this movie |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
42. Actually, the Nazi's were a dictatorship from the Left wing. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Don't you know that fascists lie? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. What is your definition of socialism? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Nazi's were primarily interested in economics... |
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MacCovern (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
85. Grains of truth, but it wasn't the way you see it |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Goering did commit suicide... |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Racially based socialism, at that |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Gahd |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. And the Republik of China means they are Republican right? |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 05:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
64. Nazis were NOT 'socialist' |
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9215 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
84. Explain "Neo-liberal" then? |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
53. Several things. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
54. Right here on this thread is a PRIME example of R/W Nazi war! |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
62. I'll make a stab |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
65. My only "degree" is in observing things and experiencing them for |
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Design8edGrouch (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
70. Great comparisons/contrast to both totalitarian systems but.. |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. People versus the Powerful |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-16-04 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
72. Nazism was leftist for "citizens" |
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Lefergus70 (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 03:09 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. "Nazism was leftist for "citizens"" |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 03:27 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Myth: Hitler was a leftist. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 05:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. if you redefine everything observed in nature as right-wing |
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MacCovern (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 09:14 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. Hitler deplored capitalism |
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DrBB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
79. Wonderful source for this topic |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
80. The great lesson lost, is that unchecked power... |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
81. Because totalitarianism is a conservative ideology? |
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9215 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
83. Nazism=fascism--Conservatism without a larger ideal than power for ..... |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
91. America's propagandists on the right... |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
92. The Nazis were a strange series of contradictions. |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-17-04 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
93. economically, it's pretty centrist |
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