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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 03:43 PM
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The good-paying jobs have gone bye-bye, get used to it
By Bev Conover
Online Journal Editor & Publisher

January 15, 2004—Remember the phrase "eating your own?" Well, that is what brainless Corporate America is doing to its US consumers by shipping out the decent paying jobs that allowed people to buy all those products—needed or not—constantly pushed in advertisements on TV, radio and plastered to any horizontal or vertical surface.

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If you are lucky, you will earn enough to buy food, clothing and keep a roof over your head. If not, there is dumpster-diving and discarded cartons big enough to curl up in—just no sleeping on park benches or anywhere you can be seen in public spaces, because that upsets the fat cats who will sic the police on you.

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If the above aren't insulting enough, now we are being told the good-paying white collar jobs also are being exported and won't be coming back, so get used to it.

We have been told to get used to a lot in the past three years: the loss of our freedoms, a bogus war on terrorism, endless wars on the "enemies" of the corporations (a.k.a. Bush's ever-expanding "axis of evil"), in addition to being told to "get over" stolen elections, a White House occupant installed by five Supreme Court justices, Bush's complicity in 9/11, and illegal "preemptive" wars on two sovereign nations.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011604Conover/011604conover.html
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 03:49 PM
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1. Good column, thanks Jim.
And *Thanks* Chimpy!!!
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 03:53 PM
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2. I used to puzzle about the same quesion
Doesn't corporate 'Merka realize now 'Merkans can't afford
their product. I don't puzzle about that anymore 'cause I
realize.

They don't care. They're after the global market.
We're just one country.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 03:57 PM
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3. global market...
Sure but they are pissing off the world and they make shoddy products. How many Europeans do you think are going to be hot to buy American produts for much longer? The more isolated we become, the harder it is going to be for us to survive.
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mars_clover Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 03:57 PM
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4. Exactly.
Remember the phrase "eating your own?" Well, that is what brainless Corporate America is doing to its US consumers by shipping out the decent paying jobs that allowed people to buy all those products—needed or not—constantly pushed in advertisements on TV, radio and plastered to any horizontal or vertical surface.

That's exactly right. They do not care if he U.S. market tanks - they are after the global market.

My only hope is that since most of the rest of the global market makes less income than we do, that if their "new" market can afford things we will still be able to, too. In other words, if they are going to be selling SUVs to Chinamen working for rice, then I hope I can still afford one, too.

Clover
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 03:57 PM
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5. The rich can still afford it all, and America's soul died long ago...
The divide grows larger.

Eventually, no amount of outsourcing is going to save their petty asses.

America is already dead; we're not a society of communities. We're a society of dog-eat-dog individuals lacking the community spirit.
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:12 PM
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7. Hey! I have community spirit!
Let's share dog food recipes.

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:54 PM
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12. By the time they finally do realize
that, it'll be too late.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:10 PM
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6. A man begging for spare change today in my small town
right at the Post Office (never seen that before)..and another lying in the snow by the highway...people using wood to heat, kids going hungry here..
This is going on all over the United States.
The poor are poorer, the middle class is gone, and the wealthiest are in complete control ..
The Aristocracy of the Bush empire is almost completed.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:56 PM
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8. Don't worry there is always the fruit picking industry
D'oh those jobs have been in-sourced. Instead of sending the jobs out of country we bring foreigners into our country to do the work Americans are to good for. We are very good at shitting in our own nest.
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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:45 PM
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9. I disagree
While those at the bottom are definitely struggling these days, those with good educations are doing fine. I know a 25 year-old woman from Chicago who just graduated from Harvard Law School (first in her family to attend university), and she got hired by an excellent firm. She'll make about $130,000 this year plus bonus. Partners at her firm routinely earn $700,000 or more.

My point is that even with the mess Bush has made, there is still a tremendous amount of opportunity in this country if you get a good education, work hard, and play by the rules. And that's probably the only reason why I haven't packed my bags and left for Canada.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:51 PM
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10. OK I see your point .....NOT
Really how many get to attend Harvard Law school.

Even the brightest of minds are further sorted through for FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS and lets not even talk about Race or Color.

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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:56 PM
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13. what percentage of Americans?
will go to Harvard? What percentage of Americans will become LAWYERS in wealthy law firms? (What kind of wealth do lawyers create anyway?)

"a tremendous amount of opportunity in this country if you get a good education, work hard, and play by the rules"

Sure, but the vast majority of Americans are falling behind, regardless of the fact that a tiny minority is getting rich.

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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:59 PM
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14. How do you define
"good education" and "doing fine"?

There will always be an upper class and a lower class in this country. But the middle class is quickly disappearing. If you're making $130,000 when you're 25, you're not middle class.

As far as opportunity goes, the rich have more opportunity than the poor. Always have, always will. That's kind of the whole point of trying to be rich. Did your friend have to work her way through undergrad and law school? How much student loan debt does she have? Where did she go to high school? Was it a private school or a public school in a "good" neighborhood? All that stuff matters.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:25 PM
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15. There are fewer good jobs that are easy to get
I am not just referring to those without good education. I mean that for many new college graduates, it is difficult to get a decent job without having "connections". There are some fields that increase your chance at getting a good job based on merits like law, health care, and engineering. For others, landing that first job can be difficult. Some of these first jobs, even those requiring a degree, can be relatively low paying and relatively dead end.
I am working at my first permanent career track job for the past two and a half years. My company is small with no chance of advancement and I look on websites and the classifieds for potential new jobs. I am amazed by how many jobs that I fit my interests and qualifications are realatively low paying. They somehow can find people with a Bachelor's degree in science with two years of experience that are willing to work for $10.50/hour. Good paying jobs require a ridiculous amount of experience in something that few people would have experience in ( one job wanted minimum 10 years experience in transportation equipment manufacturing, 5 years experience intechnical writing, and a BS in business).
Of course, the local chamber of commerce says that job seekers should network and that 80% of jobs in the area are obtained by networking. What are the rest of us suppose to do when the advertised jobs are either low paying or require very specific experience that we cannot get.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:37 PM
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Whay about my son?
There are so many like him, too. He suffers from autism and can't even tie his shoes at 12. He, and people like him, seem to be the first to suffer from these budget cuts. We can't all be high-priced lawyers.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:52 PM
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11. threre will be blood in the streets
if they aren't careful. Remember how Americans are heavily armed? Now you know why rich people started living behind fences. It won't help in the end though.

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LiberalEconomist Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:37 PM
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16. Come now people
there is much potential in military related fields. Ours is an unsustainable standard of living. The only way we can live as well as we do is by exploiting the cheap labor offered by third world countries. As more and more jobs and industries fly abroad, more and more we have to assure that those countries remain stable--our fiefs. At the same time we have to guard against competing parasites--aka the European Union and Russia. We also have to brutally shut down any uprisings (such as switching from petrodollars to petroeuros). You see, one day we the average citizen of the US of A will all work for the government in one way or another. Hell, we are doing it now, just look at all of those private sector firms that depend on government contracts (Haliburton for instance).
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