Pelosi and Daschle are conceding to Bush

They just admitted the country is strong and that the mission in Iraq is noble. Suck ups.

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Didn't these wimps learn anything in speech class...you HAVE to start out strong, that is what people remember most!!

she was using the old rope a dope.

Pelosi is smacking on him while being nice.

:bounce:

now she's doing okay..
Wish Kennedy were giving the speech though.

Attack him while giving the impression he isn't being attacked... it might work...

n/t

Oh my god, this is a disaster! Pelosi is stiff, reeking of plastic srgery, mechanical, wooden.....

We desperately need Edwards and Kerry and Dean and Clark here doing this rebuttal! Why in the hell is Pelosi doing this!

I couldn't agree more! Was hoping Daschle would sound better, but he doesn't. Fer crissakes, these two are awful! :boring:

... Get a REAL Democrat to speak for us?

This man has cajones. No fear about going after poltical crooks. It is time that America has seen some blue chicago muscle.

I think Mayor Daily should be giving the response. He'd tear Bush a new asshole.

... woohoo

Where is the fire? Where is the anger? Where is the rebuttal? I'm disgusted right now.

Nancy is reading the teleprompter as bad as * ever has.

My brain just tuned out.

She is slamming him with big scary numbers now!!!
:bounce:

seems ineffective IMO. Doesn't provide enough rebuttal to the lies that Bush* just told in the SOTU. Lets hope Daschle picks it up.

And look at Daschle! Man, this two really make me appreciate the presidential candidates.....

How fake Daschle is!

and she gave in to what Bush wanted, our leaders in DC NEED to learn from the Republicans how to be an opposition...this isnt about talking to Republicans, this is about getting the democrats to say, HEY!! they are right, Bush is full of shit!

Man, I am now really appreciating how talented Edwards, Kerry, Dean, Geppy, and Clark are. We are so lucky to have them!

accepting third place.

With the truth no less... Right the F on!

THey are starting it off to woo some conservatives and now are bashing them with shrubs blunders.

I think we have some conservatives hanging around...

letting them set the tone and defending yourself first is the opposite of what you should do, and the presentation is uninspiring...I am liberal, and I cant even tune in to them...sounds like a nursery rhymn...

..Bush's speech at first.
This is some REALLY softcore criticism. Is Pelosi really the right person to respond to Bush's hardcore lies and deceptions?

She should've just said "We love you President Bush, and we agree with you, but I have a few minor disagreements on specific issues".

I guess it was just the beginning that wasn't very critical.

Howard Dean. Oh but when Howard gets fired up, tells it like it is, even his own call him scary. Hey, Democrats, this is why you have a bunch of declawed pussies for leaders because when you have a real leader stand up to the Bushies you trash him to the ground. All you have to to is look at GD 2004 since it was started for proof.

Wow, you really do have your blinders on.
Cleita, Howard Dean does not rule the world. There are other "gutsy" Dems, and you could see it if your eyes were open.

their speech last night, as scary and over-the-top, nor have I heard them say much of anything anti-Bush either. Please make a list and tell me when they spoke with fire in their belly and spoke the truth about Bush in the last twenty-four hours?

Lack of funding to protect us here at home

Veterans being screwed (imo, she didn't say enough on this)

They both sat there with permanent grins on their faces, as if they either agree with Bush, or are on heavy meds. I was totally repulsed. Obviously their expressions did not fit what they were actually saying...but it was hard to tell, and after Bush's long sleep provoking speech, the general public probably wasn't paying close attention.
I didn't expect anything from Bush, and he didn't disappoint...but those two were embarassing.

this response is totally lame. After a speech like that, the only appropriate response is a Howard Dean-style "YEEEAAAAGHHH!"

No fire.....please don't hurt me....

Pelosi was completely speaking w/o any breaks between sentences, hard to follow. And now Dash is stopping after every sentence or clause for like 2 seconds. arghhhhh.

Do these folks even remember 2002?

n/t

Hit him on being a big-spender. Hit him on elite society.

Makes reasoned statements in a lowkey way. Sorta like Mr. Rodgers. I doubt that it will fire people up, but I guess that's why Tom isn't running for President.

No one is listening. Can't they see the need for a dynamic speaker?

C'mon - good facts, but say it like you mean it! Do something to convince the fence sitters!

Man, Daschle is milquetoast.

Is there any doubt why Democrats lost ground in off year elections with these two robots leading the party????

it was Gephardt who was minority leader and was replaced by Pelosi because of the crappy results....

unfortunately, we still have Daschle....

:evilfrown:

We are really lucky to have such talented candidates. Daschle and Pelosi are hacks compared to them.

When are Daschle and Pelosi going to talk about raising taxes on the rich? Never!

All I can say is :puke:

He should quit and take a new position as storytime reader at some corporate day care center.

...and now I'll have to barf at the WEAK Dem response.

I want to pull my teeth out listening to him.

The response should be to the Speech...how can anyone response to the collective outrages made in it 5 minutes after it's made?

Anyone else see it? Why did he not give the rebuttal?

That sucked and they aren't telegenic at all.

Dash is kind of telegenic, IMHO. Too bad he was putting me to sleep.

they started out with typical back patting statements that are a formality.

I liked what each had to say. they called Bush on his lies, especially Daschle.

Whenever they call I say I'm not giving a penny except directly to the candidates until they improve the leadership. Could they be any lamer or less exciting?

You have to give credit to Dean - he has changed the tenor, and it needed changing.

People pay little attention to what they say, just how they say it. Daschle seems like Mr. Rogers, and Pelosi has that deer in the headlights look to her. In a post-911 world, voters won't want to to trust their lives with these guys.

Those two had voices and mannerisms that grated on the nerves even worse than Bush's usually do.

Rebuttal: \Re*but"tal\, n. 1. (Law) The giving of evidence on the part of a plaintiff to destroy the effect of evidence introduced by the defendant in the same suit. 2: the act of refuting by offering a contrary contention or argument 3: a pleading by the defendant in reply to a plaintiff's surrejoinder.

Was caught up watching Pelosi's eyes and smile but her words were good. I thought Daschle did a great job and I'm not usually a fan of his. I liked the contrast to Bush. I liked ALL of what he said. He was very inclusive. Heck, I'd have voted for him for President after watching bush.

to the SOTU when talking to Blitzer and it only took him 30 seconds.

Plus he breaks ranks too often. However, Daschle has done a good job of blocking legislation in the senate to the best of his ability, thus I think he would be a good Whip or maybe Chief Deputy Whip.

hostage tape.

We have a winner!

:yourock:

and ball necklace.

Okay I admit Pelosi's delivery needed much work, but the content of the message was dead on. If she had said bluntly, "Bush is a Damn liar and sent our young men and women to die for oil, and profits," that would be considered tactless (though true) and would no doubt turn people off before the point of the message was laid out. Which is that Shrub's foreign policy is wrong for America. (an understatement to be sure.)

Daschle I think did well. He appeared to me to be compassionate and sincere. He emphasized why democrats are alway better on important domestic issues; namely education, jobs, health care, and retirement.

I know many of you, like myself, are so tired of Bush getting away with lie after lie, theft, and death spread worldwide, that you wish she offered up rebuke in the style of Ezekiel or better. But that isn't the way American politics works. We all know that. The response was simply laying out the themes for the upcoming presidential election. I believe Pelosi and Daschle have saved the fiery rebukes for the Democratic presidential candidate, where I believe they justly belong.

those 2 made more sense and he could understand where they were coming from compared to Shrubs twisted words.

I think that means something. I was surprised he wasn't channel surfing during the rebuttal, he was during Chimpy. I think it's a good sign.

This is the best the Democrats can do? The Republicans must be turning handsprings. Pelosi is our House leader, we can't afford to have someone speaking with stage fright. Trembling, mispronouncing words, all bug-eyed-Botox expressionless...Jesus H. Christ. :grr:

What has happened to the Democratic Party?

Second-worst I've ever seen, last year's suckfest with Gephardt having been the worst.

The idiots are handing * the election!

This "bipartisanship" means the end of our party. Or do they realize that? x(

traditional, liberal Democrats can carry on.

But I see the Hidden Hand at work here. No way these two could have been so lame, even lamer than Bush, without actually trying to be that way. The Corporate Paymasters decreed that it should be so, and our "leadership" complied. The Masters of War are behind this.

Bush's lies were so appararent...and the responses, as usual, sounded apologetic, unemotional, and totaly wimpish. Bush dared to say that the Kaye report had uncovered WMD's. He dared to say that the US had liberated Iraq...and he dared to present Afghanistan as an example of a succesful democratization. The response should have been given by either Byrd or Ted Kennedy. Daschle is a dishrag and Pelosi was a total loss. Don't wonder why the GOP will hold on. Ugly. Just ugly.