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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:23 PM
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Was Mary the first feminisit
Discuss--Some woman told me that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the first feminist?

Discuss please.
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Runesong Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:27 PM
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1. I beleive Lilith was the first feminist,
but Mary certainly came up with a novel legal defense against being charged with adultery. :)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:31 PM
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2. I'd probably go with Moses' mother, myself
I mean, if I had to confine myself to folks named in the Bible. The "first" feminist has probably been lost to history, but the subversive actions by a few women (Moses' mother, Pharoah's daughter, and her handmaidens) in saving the baby Moses from certain death set the stage for the liberation of the Hebrews.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:48 PM
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3. No one interesed in this topic?
nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:50 PM
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5. Jeez, Carlos, you have me on ignore or something?
"No one" indeed!
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:51 PM
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6. I meant
Why aren't there more replies?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:49 PM
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4. Queen Hatshepsut?
First female pharoah.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:52 PM
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7. Well, Sappho predates her by six hundred years.
And then there is Mrs. Claus, whom everyone knows has been around since the early pleistocene.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 05:54 PM
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8. Mary was known the handmaid of the Lord.
This terminology does not perpetuate the myth of a feminist. What we know about the real Mary is that in her culture and time she was expected to be obedient to her father and her husband. There is no evidence that she wasn't. I don't think either Mary, the myth, nor the historical Mary were feminists.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:03 PM
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9. Jesus was a feminist
In Jesus' time it was frowned on even to speak to women on everyday subjects and women were forbidden to study Talmud. Jesus not only included women as disciples but if the Scriptures contain any truth, he openly and publicly interpreted gospels for them and cured women by touch who were considered unclean and were shunned by society.

As the mother of a feminist son, I know his mother must have played a part in shaping his attitudes toward women.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:04 PM
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10. Mary probably never existed
nor did Jesus

My "Ancient Rome and the birth of western civilization" course last year was very enlightening. There is good evidence that the Roman upper-class made up Jesus and the Bible to fracture Judaism, which was spreading in popularity, and later to control the new monotheistic establishment

sorry if this upsets anyone.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:33 PM
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11. What are the feminism goals ?
whether one of these goals is to be pregnant without making love or to be virgin after practicing the adultery… then, the answer is "yes"
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 06:48 PM
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12. Many mythological feminist figures in history
Consider some from Greece. Eris, Hera, Athena just for a start. There was the story Lysistrata where the women rose up and stopped a war.

Furthermore you are only considering western mythology. There is a entire world of figures out there to explore. Why fixate on one?
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:14 PM
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13. Not to mention the mythical Amazon women
They were said to exclude men from their community except as slaves.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:39 PM
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14. No there were matriarchal societies in China some 600 BC
that would pre-date Mary as well.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:41 PM
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15. We Need Some Matriarchal Societies Again!
I'm serious.
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:41 PM
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16. Yo mamma sooo old
that she was the first feminist.

BWAHAHAHAHA! Ok Ok bad bad very bad joke.

On topic: She was certainly back there in time but it's impossible to know who exactly was the first feminist as they may never have been written about.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 07:50 PM
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17. I think Mary Magdalene was a feminist
at least she was in Jesus Christ Superstar.:7
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:06 PM
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18. A few inthe old testament-- Deborah was a judge
Current revisionist study points to Magdalene in the New Testament
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