Beginning to get Offended!

I've been participating on this board for about a week and I have to say that I'm increasingly offended by the characterization of Anne Coulter (whom I loathe) as a transsexual.

I'm a gay man and I have numerous (and extremely left wing) transsexual friends. To continually bash Anne Coulter by implying that she is a trannie (or a transvestite) or "used to be a man" or calling her "Mann Coulter" is to also imply that there is something wrong with being a transvestite or a transsexual.

I'm sure for the most part that all of you are good people and do not mean to be offensive but as long as we allow gender identity to be a slur or a nasty dig, we're part of the problem and not part of the solution.

Thanks for listening.

...she seems like a very leggy and somewhat attractive blonde. Dont see the TS angle at all....

although I've never looked that close

so what if she has an adams apple.....

Women don't have that buldge in their necks.

But I have that ... that ... thing ... down there. :evilgrin:

And, yes, I was born that way.

Martin

the concept of transexuality as an insult and to dismiss her. it's just like calling a person a faggot when you want to hurl an insult.

the practice makes me want to hurl.........

...plus the young-boy-in-drag hard body. It's also that we women don't really want to claim La Coulter, no matter what the gender she was born with might have been. We also commented that Linda Tripp bore an uncanny resemblance to Michael Caine in drag.

It's not an offense to transexuals, most of whom are much more ladylike and polite than Coulter is. It's certainly no slam towards cross dressers, be they gay or straight.

Haven't you ever benn lumped in with a group that had a member so outrageously loathsome that you either wanted to disqualify yourself for membership in that group or find a way to disqualify the repellent individual from it?

This is what is at work in declaring Coulter to be the result of a sexual reassignment gone terribly wrong.

had a member so outrageously loathsome that you either wanted to disqualify yourself for membership in that group or find a way to disqualify the repellent individual from it?"

the group is called DU.

and it happenes everytime i read someone using gender, sexual preference, economic status or physical appearance as a slam.

it drives me up the wall.

i want to yell to the world that these people are not liberals because my understanding of the word does not include such behavior.

if a person is a narrow minded, bigoted, self righteous ignoramus, there is no reason to call her appearance into play as an insult.

women have always been first evaluated on their appearance, then on their sexual availability and finally, if at all, on their intellect.
to see that practice accepted here instead of attacked as anti-liberal is disgusting and disheartening.

some day, some of you are going to realize that by exercizing the practice on the likes of coulter, you are legitimizing it's use on your mothers and sisters and wives and DAUGHTERS!!!!!!! we are supposed to be allll about making a better world for the future and some of you insist on dragging this mindset into your children's furture.

it's disgusting.

same goes for the sexual preference and gender issues. someone wants to insult or dismiss an opponent, just say a man looks girly or a woman manish, despite the implications and insults to men who don't have rugged features or women that do. it's soooo much easier than to actualy use intellect to debunk them and their ideas. who cares what kind of hurtful stereotypes you are further cementing into our culture.

it's a pitiful practice in general and especially, here, when it comes at the hands of people who claim liveralism but are only wrapping their dark freeper hearts in the skin of a progressive.

My sentiments exactly. Whacha doin' in my brain? This kind of dialogue is beyond the pale for a true liberal and I don't like it, either. Seems to me it's a bypass for thinking, an excuse for not examining the issues that require a tad more analysis.

Anne Coulter is bad.
Sorry, did I offend anyone named Anne or Coulter?

was really unnecessary.

I'm a straight guy but even I have little tolerance for those posts as well as the references to weak kneed dems as "pink tutus" or any other slur of that variety.

I realize they are not intentionally being offensive but I don't understand why someone has to resort to that type of thin.

for people who are either too intel;ectualy lazy or just not capable
of actually debunking her arguements.

one step up from grunting 'colter bad'

;-)

Thick Skin.

Nuff said.

part of me thinks it's wrong...having said that..I won't do it again.

with GWB. Talk about an insult...

Finally someone on this forum that wants substance instead of name calling. I may not like bush but the stupid name calling is accomplishing zippo. If all we put out is bush-hatred then its a done deal and he will have another 4 years. We need to have our canidates give us a message other then bush lied. Thank you Gin...you got it right!!!

before joining to complain about DU.

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THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A THICK SKIN

If you are a human being with feelings, you will likely read things on DU that you find offensive. That is as it should be. Discussions of political topics are by nature more passionate and contentious than most other topics. The administrators of this message board have little interest in catering to the most oversensitive members. If you get offended by many of the things you read on DU, you might have to learn to deal with it.

for some of us, fighting bigotry and intolerance in all it's guises is our way. there is nothing in the rules that disallows that.

Both Harris and Coulter have very masculine facial features, although Harris' are far more pronounced. I don't think the posts are meant to be offensive to transsexuals or drag queens, just to point out that both Coulter and Harris are either a) ugly women or b) bad drag queens.

I don't think it's particularly useful, as there's so much OTHER stuff to about Coulter and Harris to make fun of, their masculine looks are just a distraction, and let's face it, an ad hominem from people that should know better.

who cares if you think she's ugly? Can't we just respond to her idiocy? It's easy enough to do that...

which is why the second paragraph is in the post you replied to.

and Annthrax is a -10 on the 1 to 10 scale.

they open their mouths.

and how disingenuous it is. We are "liberals" right? Bullshit. I remember the MWO board starting all that sex crap about Coulter. That board is history.

Coulter is not all that bad looking. So what? She is a vicious coward and blowhard, a pseudo-intellectual and a trailer park snoot. I think it better to go after all that..or better yet not to mention the bag at all. You just encourage her and give her more Google hits.

She does not matter at all.

I am offended.
John
Who tries not to think about Ann Coulter one way or the other.

economic status shouldn't be insult fodder.

Also, people need to be aware that trailers and trailer parks ain't necessarily all that cheap to live in....

My trailer park/manufactured home community (my manufactered home is really a trailer ... it got pulled down the road from the factory in two pieces on their own individual sets of axels, and then assembled on the lot) is fairly nice, the county I live in is very pricey ... Washtenaw County, Michigan has some pretty high property values for even small "cracker box" houses with small yard.

For the privilege of keeping my house on the park's property, 50' x 100' lots approximately, I pay $437/month lot rent, plus my trailer mortgage payment, plus about $25/month for water/sewer, plus gas and electric. I have paved streets and sidewalks and paved driveway that are maintained by the park (I shovel my own snow from driveway and sidewalk), I'm connected to city water and sewer, and my trash gets picked up once a week.

She comes from a very wealthy family. But we disagree with her, so she must be "trailer".

Nevermind that she called Clinton "white trash".

am i in trouble now?

most people think there's nothing wrong with being a man, but a lot of people think that transexuals are bad. Does that make sense?

I was just thinking of you when I was reading these posts! :-)


As someone else said...I don't look close enough @ her, either, to know one way or another if she's got one of those manly things on her neck. All I know is she's poison.

Like Walt Starr said up there somewhere; DU'ers need tough skin.

And fuck 'em if they can't take a joke -- I love ya!! :evilgrin:

the delusional freepers who think she's hot.

I, also as a gay man, have no problem at all with "Ann the Man", 'Mann Coulter", etc. The truth is, she goes at everything aggressively and with a noticable level of 'shrill', to me at least, she acts like a man, behaviorally.

Besides, my fellow gay friend, she's called us quite a lot worse. She deserves as much ridicule as we can throw at her. Frankly, this woman and people like her- again, usually men- scare the hell outta me. Not because they're right- they aren't. But they firmly believe they are. It's something that brings them closer to the mentality of the Taliban than it does us toward their God. It'as also something you can't logically argue with.

Welcome to DU. :wave:

to use "transsexual" slurs against aggressive women or to in some other way strip them of their female status? To me this seems like justifying a certain type of "gender policing", which is in my opinion a regressive behavior.

based on the posts of a certain percentage of people. I'm new, too, and got offended plenty during my first few weeks.

As a feminist I was offended that someone described Condi Rice as bitchy. I believe she is, but so are Rumsfeld and the whole crew...

Try to take it with a grain of salt, or better yet, call them out on it.

Just don't leave!

:hi:

I'm not going anywhere.

I'm a Brooklyn born and bred fag, who's marched on Washington more times than is appropriate for my age and been involved in ACT UP and Queer Nation and the like.

It would take a lot more than a few transphobes to chase me away.

I also think that most people don't realize how offensive it seems to queer people, since they were socialized as badly as we were.

I'm a Brooklyn born and bred fag, who's marched on Washington more times than is appropriate for my age and been involved in ACT UP and Queer Nation and the like.

Time to swap notes. Which one's have you been at? I've been at a lot of them too.

Martin

As a feminist, I don't have a problem with hearing a woman being called "bitch." It's the polar opposite of "doormat."

Assertive women, no matter their political bent, get called masculine in our society. It's sexist also. Yes DUers, I'm talking to you!

Nevermind there's enough neurosis in her writings alone to condemn her, but I don't want to insult the mentally ill.

Transhuman at least.

I personally think she looks more like a horse than a man or transgendered person.

I think a lot of our comrades here at DU don't understand that we stand in solidarity with the transgendered. They think of "them" as being vastly different from "us" (for some reason). Sorry to generalize, I've just noticed really nice people use that slur to demean Coulter.

Then again, since the gay issues hit the fan (like the Harvey Milk School yesterday) I've noticed some people aren't as pro-gay as I thought they were.

I think we need a GLBT forum here at DU so we can segregate ourselves. (Sarcasm.)

Cheers,
ADAM

I think some of the anti-Dean stuff today inspired me.

go for it!

Quit slamin' horses.

I knew I'd get that. Sorry... no offense to horses, horse lovers, or Princess Anne.

n/t

i like your we the people for dean!!! nice!

but if you look closely you will see that it isn't the majority of posters but the same few time and time again demonstrating that they can out "poor-behavior" the next person.

I hope you don't leave.

I do one of two things with these comments:

I either ignore them and consider the source or I challenge them and hang in there for the long haul getting called every name in the book including fascist, PC, board nanny...remember..people who resort to calling names only ever seem to have that angle to fall back on.

just remember..it isn't the majority of us.

but maybe I'm just old...

...you haven't seen nothing yet.

I am sure you saw this thread started by Sapphocrat a few days ago.

Anyway, that isn't the first post she has made like that on these boards, nor will it be her last.

A lot of us who are labelled as "thin skinned" have done the same since joining DU. I have done it myself several times but to no avail.

This morning while searching around, I found this thread which was ok, until I read poster number five who truly managed to piss me off.

The trouble around here is people just don't listen to what hurts people. Women in general have asked time and time again to stop using derogatory remarks against women as insults to people. The queer folks have asked time and time again for people to stop speculating on someones sexuality, because it isn't a crime to be queer, yet it continues to happen.

Like I say time and time again to people unless it affects someone on a personal level, no one really gives a shit. That is very true, and is shown to me on a daily basis, when I try to get people to write to their congress reps in order to try to get a simple immigration bill passed so my American born partner can sponsor me (I am Australian) for immigration into her country. No one gives a shit, because it doesn't affect them.

All you can do my friend is begin putting people on ignore in order to not see their hateful remarks. Those people who make remarks like that aren't really worth your trouble. They are just simpletons with a black and white way of thinking only. Why on earth they vote democrat is beyond me, they are more repuke that the right wing. LOL

but I don't know what the post number five was as it was deleted by the mods.

but I am a feminist and I am "PC" and I totally get what you're saying. Maybe I haven't been around long enough to get disillusioned, but I don't think you should give up on people. You mention poster number five, well, that's only ONE person!

If we don't have people like you demanding to be treated with respect, none of us will get the respect we deserve.

That post was just a dissenting opinion. I don't find anything wrong with differences of opinion. If we don't discuss them, we can't change them.

Which is very different from some just plain vulgar threads. There are particular types of threads about wives and mothers that really offend me, much more than a woman being called a bitch. But hey, that's trendy so it's ok.

I don't know, but I don't think the Ann Coulter thing was ever meant to degrade anybody but her. But I have always found them embarrassing and tasteless anyway.

Hang around a while, you won't believe your eyes!!!!!

We should be the last ones to think if casting sexual slurs at people because we disagree with their political philosophy or actions.

It's a terrible cultural habit that I don't think people intend to be hurtful, but I do think we need to think how others feel.

Anyone else grimace when a Democratic Congressman was alledged to have called a Republican member a FRUITCAKE in the brouhaha of last week?

I mean really. When suitable jibes like FASCIST ASSHOLE are so gender neutral!

I can handle fruitcake. I can even eat good ones! :)

That term was in common use long before it implied anything about being gay. Most fruitcakes are full of pecans or walnuts, so someone a little loony would be nuttier than one.

I didn't cringe even a little over the House flap when that slur was used. Then i remembered the innuendo about McInnes. Then, i thought "He probably shouldn't have said that".
The Professor

Luckily it didn't seem to get highly noticed with all the attention paid to police called in, etc...

Do you also think that cross dressers are gay? I know a guy who use to be a female impersonator and he had a wife and kid.

We consider the transgendered to be another sexual minority that is routinely discriminated against. (We being the larger concept of the GLBT community.)

Cross dressers are people who dress as such for their sexual gratification only (i.e. they keep it in the bedroom). Thus, they're not exactly living a life (out in the public) that would put them at risk.

A crossdresser likes to wear women's clothes

A transexual believes he or she was assigned the wrong gender at birth.

it's gonna happen.

Considering that most people here are dedicated to good ol' liberal principles, you'd think there wouldn't be any gay-bashing here, accidental or otherwise. Everybody's gonna be so PC, eh?

Yeah, right,

People aren't here because they support gay rights, hate the war, support unions, want gun control, or anything else in particular.

Aside from the trolls, the only thing that unites the people here is support for the Democratic Party and/or dislike of the Republicans.

Which means there will be a few gay-bashers, and there will be even more who are insensitive. And a few kiddies who think throwing out insults based on one's looks, age, etc. is the height of wit.

And some of us will get into it and have fun shooting verbal paintballs at a likely target like Annthrax.

Just like real life.

And, just like real life, speak out when you're offended, accept the one or two apologies you might get, and hope the world is just a little better tomorrow.

you wrote:
'some of us will get into it and have fun shooting verbal paintballs at a likely target like Annthrax'

why join in? your post lets me know that you understand these witless insults are not really demonstrative of liberal principles yet instead of protesting, you join in?

why not teach these "kids" what being liberal is about, rather than
re-enforcing their behavior? show them that their behavior is what we are trying to progress above, instead of back slapping and joining in.

if we don't teach them, who will? and when they grow and are in charge, what will liberalism mean then? what will be the tenets of the democratic party if respect and tolerance are left behind?

accusation, which to me is what makes it more fun. She obviously bleaches her hair, purges regularly and wears skirts short enough to show her "lady place," if in fact she has one; so why not mock her appearance, which she thinks is very feminine.

She's a closet fag-hag to Matt Drudge, and I would guess others, yet she has no problem opposing gay-friendly government and social policies.

She's a typical right wing hypocrite and deserves all the abuse which can be heaped upon her.

BTW, I'm gay too, but I do have a sense of irony and humor.

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And that's about as much of a reaction as you'll get from me over it's usage. If something or someone personally offends me on this (or any other) message board, then I choose not to participate, close the window & back away from the thread, and make double good sure that the I teach/share & exemplify love and tolerance within my family, my home, my neighborhood, my community, and my associations.

While I understand the position and feelings of the OP, somethings simply will never be resolved on a message board. Mores are not likely to change in an environment such as this one - DU is simply too large.

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posted waaaaaay past your bedtime and i understand how cranky 'kids' can be.

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dAnn the man coulter is one hated ugly bugger to most of us.

and i will not accept this practice as a legitimate reflection of progressive, liberal or even dem philosophy. in fact i may make it my life's work to fight it!

actually i have been fighting this crap for most of my life. i'm just not used to seeing it from people who claim to be liberals.

We can call Bush a simian

but

we can't all Ann Coulter a tranny

She's the biggest homophobe to come down the pike.

I quote Ann

"Gay sex might be one of the mysteries of life but I'll be damned if I can find it in the Constitution."

Also, to quell rumors that Matt Drudge is gay she said " his enemies were trying to say he's a sodomite."

She's as bad as Fred Phelps or the thugs who crucified Matthew Sheppard.

she might be a bad person, but the point of all this is:

"transexual" or "tranny" should not be an insult!

I don't think transexual should be a epithet.

That being said it's no coincidence so many on this site say Ann Coulter looks like a transexual.

Bo Derek is a Puke and nobody says she looks like a transexual.

People call Ann Coulter a transexual because her appearance lends credence to that observation:

Ann Coulter has a mannish face

Ann Coulter has a prominent Adams Apple

Ann Coulter has the breasts of a prebuscent girl

just what in the hell does her physical appearence, her lack of breasts or her adam's apple have to do with her philosopy? why can't you attack the prodect of her brain rather than the product of her parent's genes?

how many trans women have you just marginalized by saying that "Ann Coulter has the breasts of a prebuscent girl"?

i don't fucking care how much of man she looks like.

bottom line: there is enough transphobia out there without people who are supposed to be progressives facilitating its spread.

it's unnacceptable. its cruel. it doesn't belong in this forum.

oh....you mean trannie isn't a compliment? </sarcasm>

when you use trannie to insult her, you are insulting transexuals instead. why is that so hard to understand. and, if you are really a liberal, how come you don't already know this?

how does calling her a tranny express your conviction that she is a homophobe?

Last year the assistant coach on my then 12 year old nephew's baseball team didn't like the way they were performing in their pregame practice. As they came into the bench he told them that if "they were going to play like girls" they should just go home. He he referred to them as "ladies" and "girls". I finally went up to the head coach and told him I found this offensive and he put a stop to it (what was awful though, is that I was the only adult female who found this offensive, personally I don't think there is anything wrong with being a girl and don't like it used as an insult.)

Karma caught up with this guy at the next game. Very few of the teams have even one girl on them, but the team they played at the next game did. She could hit, she could field and could she ever pitch. After the game I went up to the jerk coach and said sweetly, "I bet you wish they played like girls now."

It really is a cheap shot to try to insult Coulter on her sexuality. She's a bitch, I would think most the women on the board would agree with that, so let's just call her that

and this is the crux of what this thread is about.

To use "girl," "lady," "nigger," "faggot" or "trannie" as an insult is to presume that their is something insulting about being a member of that category. While I'm pretty young myself, I'm old enough to remember when "faggot" or "queer" were among the worst things you could be called. Now the gay men and lesbias are gaining acceptance and power, it's not so insulting to be identified as a member of our group. Thus, trannies remain the one group who are left to be thrown around as an insult.

Why not just call Ann a fascist, hypocritical slut and be done with it?

two people whoseem to understand why it's bad to call he a trannie, turn around and call her names that have been used to demean women for centuries.

if you use bitch and slut to dismeiss your enemy, you legitimize it's use against you, your momma, your sisters and daughters.

why...somebody explain to me why you find it so hard to insult her thinking and her philosphy on their own? why must you resort to the stereotypical freeper behavior and drop into the gutter with bitch, slut and whore?

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And thank you for speaking up on this. You are 100% right. I'm with you! :hi:

but that's about it. She is very skinny. I honestly don't see how freeper men would find her attractive.

I see her as a very smart and intelligent woman but her mouth has a mind of it's own. Oh yeah, the other poster is right...she is a BITCH, though.

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ignorant much? :eyes:

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everyone, here is a progressive and a liberal.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE AND HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BEHAVE.

please note.....she or he didn't even have to use a gender insult to express her or his opinion and debunk a bigoted post.

how do you say that?

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hmm...i'm a staight, white, middle class, woman. i have tons of friends--no way i can break them down into race, sexual preference, gender identity, income bracket. usually i can identify thier politics, because i am political.

what if that skinny legged blonde is actually TS? should it matter in general? i think not. should it matter when he/she says women should not be allowed to vote? well, there is the tangled web, yeah?

I'm gay, too. And I have trannie friends, too. But there's no reason to take offense at these remarks. They fault Ann Coulter for being the way she is, not transexuals for being the way they are.

Jeez, and I thought the stereotype was that we lesbians were the ones lacking in a sense of humor!

:)

don't assume that because you are queer that automatically makes you a trans ally. don't assume that because you have trans friends that makes you a trans ally.

you don't get to decide if using "trans" as an insult is offensive. i do.

i frequently hear "lesbian" used as an insult. i don't think that is okay. do you?

As far as society is concerned, calling her a tranny WOULD be putting her down. I'm all for it. It isn't an attempt to put down transvestites or transexuals, they are already at the bottom rung of the ladder as far as society is concerned.

:eyes:

Sorry, UFR, I usually think your posts are pretty thoughtful but the logic on this thread is UNFRIGGENREAL.

Ann Coulter is undesirable and a horrible abomination. Transexuals are not undesirable nor a horrible abomination. Therefore, Ann Coulter is a transexual.

Get it?

The Rushian use of language on Du makes me want to vomit. :puke:

Somehow the hatred espoused by the right has been co-opted by the left and the fucking DEVIL MAY CARE who it really hurts.

Granted there are some gay people on this thread that aren't uptight about it. I really think they need to consider it. It is the difference between a group of black people using the N word around one another and a group of white people with sheets over their head using the N word around a group of black people.

A fist through the screen for the first asshole who comes along and tells me to lighten up.

I am SICK OF THE IGNORANCE espoused on DU.

What a waste of a tool.

Language makes people what they are.

I guess I wasn't to clear in my post...Annthrax is a white female. That puts her about 99999999999999999999% above any gay/lesbian/bisexual/transexual/transgender person in society's eyes.

That she could possibly be gay/lesbian/bisexual/transexual/african american/asian/latino etc...would be considered a put down especially in the eyes of her bigoted supporters.

Anytime that we are making her bigoted supporters uncomfortable, is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

You justify the use of your epithet by claiming that it offends those who support her. That's crap. You perpetuate negative stereotypes by using them, and using them here only legtimizes their being used by others who want to reach "society".

And what brings the transsexual or lesbian to the epithet to thre fore? Why not say UGLY or MAN-LIKE APPEARANCE? Gaunt? Bony? Leggy? BUG-eyed? Would any of those be offensive to her people? Which people? Who should be able to use these epithets, and when?

Convict Annthrax in the court of Relative Sanity, don't insult minorities by bringing them down to her level.

in complete agreement with you.

that he or she brought appearance into it. why should her appearance be any more relevent that her sexuality. it's what she says and how she thinks that is the issue. not how she looks!!!!!

remember the cracks about Janet Reno and Donna Shalala. when the freepers couldn't come up with intelligent retorts to their philosopies. they had to resort to attacking their appearance.

it was wrong when they did it and wrong when DUers do it too.

Thanks! :thumbsup:

I don't call Ann Thrax a trans-sexual.

But :

I DO CALL HER CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now have I insulted any special interest group, or and we all just agree that she is certifiable?

BTW: I'm still looking for someone to tell me how she handles Tail-gunner Joe's defending of the SS swine during the post-war dust-up over the Malamedy Massacre trial. in her lastest revisionist history book.

Good point. It seems that many on the left like many on the right try to demonize people with statements that are rarely critically analyzed.

Thanks for pointing this out.

So are many transsexuals. It is stereotyping, and it's a shame that perfectly decent trannies get associated with a massive bitch like Coulter, and I don't think most of us have anything against TG's. I guess the temptation is irresistable. And watching her, sometimes I honestly do wonder...

I swear to Cher, if I see one more person using the term "sexual preference", I'm going to start taking hostages. (Just kidding there, Mr. Asscrack!)

Homosexuality is a SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Why do we get all uppity about that? Because the concept of "sexual preference" implies that it's something we can change. It cannot be changed, no matter what some self-loathing, closet case, Uncle Tom's Log Cabin boy will tell you.

I like the pole, not the hole, and no amount of praying is going to change that. It might make me hate myself a lot if I did it, but it would never change my base desire.

So PLEASE people stop using the term "sexual preference". I promise you, as a Blue Ribbon, Grade-A Faggot, it's not a preference. It will not change. There is no right woman to "make a man" of me, and the right man will not make a lesbian start lusting after penises. Not gonna happen ever no matter what you saw in the movies.

Thanks for reading!

Cheers,
ADAM

the madder i get the sloppier my language is.

i do understand that for many gays and lesbians it is totally a one gender orientation. but you yourself said you like the pole, not the hole. the word like expresses your preference. many of the gay and lesbian people i know are able to be arroused sexualy with the right person even if they are the 'wrong' gender.

i really believe that sexual attraction is a sliding scale and that people most often, but not exclusively, find the attraction based with one gender. that is their preference.

in no way did my use of the word imply that anyone could or should change their dominant attraction. i will try and include orientation, along with preference in the furture.

my apologies.

Lately I have been irritated about all the stereotypes here. To be honest, I never thought of the Ann Coulter references and how that could alienate a person. We need to sweep house of these posts.

A virago, certainly, but a transsexual, no. I think the "Mann Coulter" line is to imply not that she is becoming (or trying to become) a man, or even that she has gender issues, but that for a woman who is widely esteemed to be (reasonably) attractive, she's very mannish-looking, no matter how hard she tries to look otherwise.

a mannish looking woman is by definition unnattractive?

I think Coulter herself is a pejorative. She may look like a woman but she looks as if she has had transsexual surgery, ie; she has a hardness about her as well as the adams apple (and I do NOT see how sharing the thought that she may have been born male is pejorative), she sounds like a man, waves her arms about like a man, she thinks and talks and snorts like a man, she projects desire for death and dying and destruction by and through war like men do -- in short, she is the antithesis of most women.

And for the record, I have never, ever participated in gender, sex or race bashing on DU or anywhere else. But as a woman, I am thoroughly repulsed by Coulter - and I resent her being held and esteemed as representational of my gender. Shall I become enraged when she is called a "bitch" or "c*nt"? What "endearments"* do YOU use for Coulter, Christian?

*<sarcasm>

*edited because a mod is deleting post with c*nt in them? Sheese!

Fascist, right wing, megomaniacal, hypocritical whore...

seems to work when describing Coulter.

Some folks believe that being a member of the right wing is a good and righteous thing. Isn't it equally wrong of you to assign "right wing" as a negative pejorative of that group?

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The C word, ask someone if you don't know what it is, is highly offensive.


I don't want to be Big Brother here but PLEASE don't use it on here or your post will be pulled.

thank you

and now back to our regularly scheduled rantings and ravings

dwickham

I could not believe my eyes this morning when I saw the viciousness with which some attacked my thread and that it was removed. There is nothing in my inbox telling me why it was removed.

I, repeat "I", did not feel I attacked anybody when I said I "was probably ignorant" for saying so but "I think" (and I have a right to my damned opinion people) that transexuality is queer. It's MY opinion and don't think others don't have the same opinion.

This is being said in a time when we have television shows called queer eye for the straight guy. That's bullshit. I didn't use the term "queer" in order to offend--I actually used it because I saw an interview by the people on the new show who said it was not considered offensive by gays any longer.

I thought DU was a progressive community of people who could agree to disagree. As democrats, this is crucial--especially in a climate where freedom of speech is so threatened. Obviously I was wrong.

What if this thread offends me (it doesn't) will they also remove it? Or is it the low number of posts I have? Are you all paranoid that I'm a "freeper"? Give me a frickin' break.

I have not been a member of DU very long, but the censorship regarding this thread is unacceptable to me. Therefore, and sadly, I am leaving DU, ironically, for same reason I came here--to escape from the maddening effort to force people into monolithic thinking.

Good riddance.

why are they allowable? Do I see a double standard here?

And fwiw, I may not have agreed with what you said, but I'll go down defending your right to say it. If your post contained a personal attack then it would understandably be pulled. If however you were stating your opinion about the topic at hand, then it should have stayed - exactly as the posts containing the "C" word" should have stayed.

It's utterly ridiculous.

It's gone past ridiculous.

First of all you come in and assume that people here are confused about trsvestites and transsexuals.

Then the posts start to fly about how people are supposed to be so ignorant about all that.

You yourself failed to read the message rules.

Here's the deal with Ann Coulter: she was being trumped up by the repukes as some sort of icon to symbolize the beauty of right-wing propaganda. As soon as she was being trotted out by the media, it was apparent that the republicans were desparate.

Anyone here who lives in a big city has seen their share of transsexuals and transvestites and honestly still wonders if Ann Coulter isn't a man. Given the way you typed up your posts, it doesn't seem like you yourself can tell if she isn't.

It may sound like we're joking but not entirely. Next time just sit back and watch how conversations flow around here and see what the background is on a particular topic. If you can't do that then at least ask questions to find out more about what's being discussed.

Don't assume that people here aren't having an intelligent conversation when you don't know the full context of the topic involved. It isn't very smart.

to understand what your post is trying to say but I don't get it.

I've been reading this board for a couple of weeks and posting for a few days. It's not important (or even relevant) for me to know the personal history of each and every poster in order to assert that using "transsexual" or aspersions on the biological sex of Ann Coulter is demeaning to transsexuals. If you use "transsexual" or related terms as an epithet, it is implying that there is something nasty about being put in that group.

You can rationalize all you wish. It's still ignorant and offensive.