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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:54 PM
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Why is it the CIA's fault?
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 03:55 PM by dennis4868
After the war the CIA had an internal review conducted by Richard Kearer(sp?)....he used to be deputy director of the CIA. His initial findings were that the CIA came up with circumstancial inferential evidence of WMD....NO HARD EVIDENCE since 1998....and it always came with caveats and qualifiers. The report said that the WH used selective evidence to use for their case for war in addition to there being massive intervention by the WH in the intelligence gathering process (i.e., Cheney). As we all know, the WH used the circumstantial evidence and led us to believe that there definitely was WMD in Iraq.

Basically the report said that what the WH was doing was performing data mining....going back over old information and coming to NEW conclusions. This report came out and the so called liberal media never picked up on it except for a couple of reporters (i.e., david corn). The media ignores this report and now there is a question of who is at fault....the CIA or the WH? Are you kidding me?
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:57 PM
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1. Hold On Here
It was not a failure of the CIA, or the NSA, or the military's traditional intelligence units that the administration was relying on. Those intelligence sources were giving a correct and unwelcome picture to the administration. Don't forget that the intelligence that has provent to be worthless was comming from an newly formed intelligence agency in the Pentagon that Rumsfeld formed for the purpose of justifying the war.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:03 PM
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4. Hey....
I agree with you....the CIA and other intelligence agencies did a pretty good job here....
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 03:59 PM
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2. it's clinton's fault!
it's not the cia's fault. they just have to have someone to blame.

given the reports of how cheney and the administration selectively used and manipulated intelligence, their blaming the cia is a joke. but hey, so is this administration.

call bullsh*t on them for trying to blame the cia
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:00 PM
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3. it's NOT is "intelligence" failure= OSP Office of Special Plans..google it
Edited on Mon Jan-26-04 04:06 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/iraq/office_of_special_plans.html

“They were a pretty shadowy presence. Normally when you compile an intelligence document, all the agencies get together to discuss it. The OSP was never present at any of the meetings I attended.” - Gregory Thielmann, a senior official in the state department's intelligence

"That office was charged with collecting, vetting and disseminating intelligence completely outside of the normal intelligence apparatus. In fact, it appears that information collected by this office was in some instances not even shared with established intelligence agencies and in numerous instances was passed on to the national security council and the president without having been vetted with anyone other than political appointees"- Democratic congressman David Obey
Obey

Summary:

Soon after September 11, a small intelligence office was created by the Pentagon to assess the threat that Iraq allegedly posed to the U.S. It remained relatively secret during the first year of its existence, known only by Donald Rumsfeld's inner circle of neoconservative ideologues. Sources within the intelligence community told reporters that the group, known as the Office of Special Plans, cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The intelligence team's conclusions were presented directly to the White House and National Security Agency without first being vetted by other intelligence agencies, like the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency. The office was also blamed for the administration's lack of post-war plans in Iraq and accused of undermining the administration's policy towards Iran

much more....a must read



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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:14 PM
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5. Because the Emperor is above suspicion
And will not be blamed for anything.
The 'Party of Personal Responsibility' strikes again.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:14 PM
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6. I Think Kay's Remarks Were Sneaky
They faulted the "intelligence community" for bad intelligence. No-brainer there.

But what part of the "intelligence community" was responsible? Not the CIA -- it was that neocon group in the Pentagon. It's pretty well established that they were behind all those claims that turned out to be lies and fabrications.

kay, of course, is no O'Neill or diIullio. He's trying to spin it to Bush's advantage without techincally lying.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 04:36 PM
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7. Where have you gone Harry Truman?
The buck stopped with him.

With this administration, the buck is passed around so quickly, it keeps people's heads spinning - look at Cheney blaming his wife for the Christmas card the other day; blaming the navy for the Mission Accomplished sign; CIA's fault with the intel; Clinton's fault for <fill-in-the-blank> etc, etc, etc.
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