Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Is there a statute of limitations on desertion??

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:52 PM
Original message
Is there a statute of limitations on desertion??
There was just a piece on about a soldier who was on the front lines in Iraq for 8 months, and when he came home on leave. he "just did not go back"..

Kyra Phillips just added at the end of the piece that a lot of people do not go awol or desert, because they are prosecuting more and more, and in the extreme cases could get the death penalty..

So..... is there a statute of limitations?? I know that * supposedly got an honorable discharge, but if that was phonied up (and could be documented), wouldn't he still be subject to desertion charges??

Were there any otheres during "his" time that WERE charged?? What were their circumstances??

Boy do I wish we still had investigative reporters :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
1. No - but if he admits to crime he was most likely pardoned by Carter!
:-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adams Wulff Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I don't think that would apply..
the amnesty was for draft dodgers, not for military personnel who just "leave". Had to think about that one for a bit, it is truly a depressing thought.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 03:23 PM
Response to Original message
3. Let us urge any servicemember
who is charged with desertion or unauthorized absence to call bush as a witness. Some of our kids have gone and don't want to go back. bush never went and chose to keep it that way so he quit. No amount of freeper nonsense or rnc spin can change that fact.

Their is no statute of limitations on being a lying, deceitful, evil human.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:22 PM
Response to Original message
4. Remember, there's a difference between AWOL
and desertion. The penalty for desertion is much more severe. The difference is in the intent - leaving without authorization with no intention of returning is desertion. While I believe * was unquestionably AWOL, I also don't think his dereliction of duty constitutes actual desertion.

It's shameful enough without having to tart it up into something worse. There's no need to get hyperbolic; a sitting pResident having been AWOL during his sworn term of service deserves an independent prosecutor and an unbiased examination.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. I also believe that desertion has to be from actual combat service
which Bush never saw.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. But it was "in a time of war"
That's the excuse they have been using lately, whether or not the desert in Iraq (not likely) or here on leave..

It's the fact that we are "at war" , that was being punched up..

Well Viet Nam was not a declared war, but then neither is Iraq, since congress did not actually declare it..

These things really do not need to be :resolved" all these years later, BUT they DO need to be talked about and talked about LOUDLY..

There was not a day that went by, that we did not hear...over and over.. "Al Gore's LYING again"... and all the other little phrases..

Bush needs to wear this albatross aroound for the next 9 months.

If the reporters had done their jobs in 99 & 00, we would not even have to be wondering now.. He would have been TOAST.. They shirked last time, and are now "using" their pitiful "inquiries" as .."Well this all came out during the 2000 election" as their excuse now..

I have been emailing and writing everyone I can to remind them that it was NOT covered last time unless you concidered Covering FOR him, coverage..

We need to POUND him with this.. He needs to show us the proof..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Bushie was AWOL, not a deserter
I *really* wish Michael Moore had checked the facts on this one before opening his mouth. Because there is a difference between AWOL and desertion, the cons and repugs can have a field day saying Dems and their supporters are promoted unsubstantiated lies against Bush.
I like Michael Moore--but I think sometimes he needs to think a little more before speaking his mind. Now I think it will be more difficult to make Bushie's AWOL incident a media reality.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Well, it's closely analogous to calling Clinton's Lewinsky lie "perjury."
People who hate Clinton felt that it was morally equivalent to perjury, but it doesn't meet the legal definition. The same is true of the desertion accusation against Bush. It may be emotionally "true" but it's not literally or legally true. The interesting thing, of course, is how the media gave all the Clinton-haters a pass on that distinction but they're all over Moore for doing exactly the same thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
8. I want to know if Bush cashed payroll during the time he was AWOL
That information ought to be in FT. Benjamin Harrison in Indianapolis.

I'd love to know that the little shit was taking the money but giving no service.

Anyone know how a reserve officer got paid back then? Check by mail, direct deposit????

That would certainly show him to be one of those loyal employee types that would never cheat the corporation he worked for...NOT!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
10. We the citizens of the United States have the duty to our fellow.......
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/ucmj/blart-
Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)

ART. 43. STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS

(a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war, or with any offense punishable by death, may be tried at any time without limitation
(snip)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 07:11 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC