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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:52 PM
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Why are so many so loyal to the Bush family?
Not to step on Stevendsmith's post, but I don't get what make the Bushes at all worthy of so much (or any) devotion. Are they really that powerful that all crimes are ignored, that so many take the fall for them or help in cover-ups? Are they the more acceptable public face of some even worse group behind them (boggles the mind, doesn't it?)? Why this family, which is so devoid of any talent except greed? There have been other powerful families that have gotten their comeuppence for committing much less serious offences. No matter how many stories people are willing to tell about the Bush family, nothing is really pursued, no matter how easy the pursuit would be, or how completely damning the truth would be. WHY? or why not?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 12:58 PM
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1. money
anthrax.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:10 PM
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7. Prescott Bush got the loyalty...
even when he didn't have that much money. This family has led a charmed life for generations even when they weren't rich or even, apparently, very well connected. Is a total lack of moral scruples that attractive an asset (or even that rare an asset)?
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:00 PM
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2. Money & Power are worshiped by all; but especially by the rich.
"Rich people kiss each other; poor people p--- on each other."

That, I think, goes a long way toward explaining why the Bush family has thus far not been subject to the kind of scrutiny they deserve.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:04 PM
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3. Greed, Money, (the illusion of) Power, Fear,
stirred in the pot of the low-intellect stripe of religionism by the spoon of bigotry.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:04 PM
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4. Cause they just luv those tax cuts.
It's all about the Greed!

Turns out there are many greedy Americans!

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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:06 PM
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5. one word FEAR
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:10 PM
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6. The problem is…
the loyalty is a one-way street. Don't expect the Bushes to stand by YOU. They'll drop you like a hot potato and forget your name if need be.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:12 PM
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8. That's quite obvious to us
so why haven't their minions figured that out?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:14 PM
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9. In our area it is the religious right, the extreme types.
I never thought of our area being like that until the large Southern Baptist Churches here starting being for the Iraq war.

People seldom question what there churches preach to them.

We did and were called unpatriotic.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:17 PM
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11. But what's in it for the religious right...
to back the Bush family, as opposed to some other family of creeps and criminals. WHY THEM! So many low level people have so much dirt on them; why doesn't it stick?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:22 PM
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13. The churches preach he was chosen by God.
That makes a lot of people devoted. I have experienced it first hand. I have heard callers on C-Span say he was chosen. Religion plays a strong part.

Why the Bushes? Because the people and media are accepting of it all. Why not other families? Don't know.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:32 PM
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17. That suggests that...
people want to give themselves some reason why they treat the Bush family like a royal family; if they were no better than any other family, why would generations loyally serve them if they couldn't, after the fact, claim some divine right. I'm still left with, why them? Why didn't the loyalty, and the money and power, go to some other family which has members who are more personable, less prone to screw-ups, smarter, etc.? Lest anyone mention the Kennedys, they don't seem to have the level of teflon the Bushes do, and I don't think it's just a matter of WASP vs. Catholic.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 11:00 PM
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29. I think it is that the people are being pointed in that direction.
That the media, everything they hear, even at church, extols Bush virtues and seldom points out their evils.

Why not another family? I don't think this level of complete media hype for one family has ever happened.

And my main point is that I don't believe any other president has been declared divine. Perhaps there are other groups involved in the religion issue.

Hard to put into words, but I don't think it is because they are the *Bush* family per se, but that they are being put in that position of being idolized by forces like the right wing religious groups and many of the media. Yeh, I know, conspiracy thoughts. But who knows? I think there is a reason.

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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:15 PM
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10. kinda like teflon , eh
Anybody out there know the reason??

I am guessing that this is why:
The mafia bosses have always had a knack for getting the "goods" on people and just sitting on them--
like the J. Edgar Hoover approach using the blackmail advantage.

What I think is going to have to happen is that someone "inside" the circle gets a little bit left out in the greedy loot distribution (as they loot our country's treasury)and gets really pist, pulls the plug and wrecks the train from the inside.

You know these neocons have the "goods" on all the prominent Dems.
And if they don't there's the ever present "Wellstone" syndrome.
Some people might just be worried about the well being of their family members should they stir things up--as they say--accidents happen-

But what we really need is HONEST dems to oppose the nazi bastards!!

Where are the Dems who have nothing to hide?

--maybe alot of them don't have the desire to rub elbows with these over-glorified crime bosses in the dirty world of politics.

We have 2 that can do it---Dean and Kucinich !!!


If we support these guys we can break this down !!




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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:20 PM
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12. Blackmail. Poppy has dug dirt on people for 40+ years.
And if he couldn't get dirt, he'd set them up to make it look like they were guilty.

All over the world.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:26 PM
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14. So far, that's the most interesting response...
(no offense to the others) but if you look up the history of Prescott Bush and his parents and grandparents, they seemed to be on a charmed trajectory, even then. Was good, immoral, WASP help that hard to find in the 1920's and 30's that Prescott and his parents were able to come from nothing special to being incredibly well connected? I ask again; why them?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:31 PM
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15. several things
An aura of entitlement. The Bushes have created an aura of aristocracy and exclusivity. The Yale background has a lot to do with that.

George H.W. Bush's rolodex. The man has established thousands of powerful connections. People both fear this network and admire its success.

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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:35 PM
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19. But those who first gave Prescott...
and his father and father-in-law the opportunuties, knew they were not aristocrats. What did the powers-that-be in the 1920's and 30's see in this family?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:36 PM
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25. They're from the British royal family...
I thought everyone knew that.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 07:16 PM
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26. They claim a connection to the...
British royal family (and why not, they had all sorts of bastards) but you notice the Queen doesn't brag about her connection to them.

This is like asking for the meaning of life, which is, of course, 42. Since Bill Clinton was 42, I guess that makes him the meaning of life, but I still don't know why the Bush family became such a big deal.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 09:16 PM
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28. It's for real...
Only in the last couple decades has it been downplayed. But, that's more to keep the Bushes looking like they can relate to the Joe Sixpack electorate.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 09:08 PM
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27. That's it exactly! I was telling a friend this last night....
It explains Poppy's curious rise:
Ambassador to China
CIA head
Reagan's forced running mate

The man did not have the credentials for any of these positions, but...
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:31 PM
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16. It's like the mafia kind of loyalty
They all know their place in the "Crime Family" structure
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:35 PM
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18. Repubs have always had Kennedy envy
They get foaming at the mouth jealous at any mention of Kenney, Camelot, Jackie, John-John, Caroline -- America's favorite political dynasty. The whole package IOW.

They have always wanted a Repub version of the Kennedys. It seems the GOP has latched onto the Bushes as that family. Add to that the the extreme right's monarchical, fascist tendencies, and the Bushes seem to fit the bill. However, inadequate that may seem.

Nevermind that the Kennedys have always been about public service. That quality seems immaterial to the GOP camp followers.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 01:46 PM
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20. I suppose my real question is...
has there been a WASP cabal behind this family, grooming them for power? I don't mean to sound paranoid but the level of power the Bush family has attained, as early as 80(?) years ago, seems way out of proportion to their talents. Or was the loyalty Prescott showed, falling on his sword for Hammer, enough to jump-start this bunch of creeps?
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 02:09 PM
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21. I have always wondered about that too.
Basically, I see them as white trash with enormous amounts of money and power. I fail to see, with all their crassness, stupidity and immorality how they would even be accepted by the WASP elite. There is precious little true merit in any Bush that I am aware of. At best, as individuals they are SOOOOO AVERAGE, even below average. Of course, when it comes to evil, greed and malice they are head and shoulders above the rest.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:14 AM
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30. But they seem to have convinced the elite...
that they're part of them. And they've convinced some lower-level people to lie and cover up for them. Couldn't the elite, be it WASP or PNAC or fundie, have found a more talented family, or are their immorality and greed the talents that elites of all stripes find the most valuable?

BTW, I mean no disrespect against Protestants in general. Only that, when the Bush family was getting its early opportunities, the moneyed and landed elite in a position to promote the Bushes was mostly Protestant.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:30 PM
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23. They have power and can drag up money and if you are not with ....
them you are in trouble.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:34 PM
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24. That's now.
What about 2 or 3 generations ago? What was so special about them?
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 11:43 AM
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31. i think its because they've somehow
tapped into a lot of money.
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