Christ..if Al Gore was this enthusiastic and charismatic in 2000..

We would've won the election easily. Just showed a clip of him speaking in Tennessee yesterday, he sounded great and so different from the 2000 Al Gore.

What a great man. I wish he were in the White House - things would be so different.

is it good or bad to be angry with the bushies?

Even Gore has said he shouldn't have listened to his advisors as much and just been his own man...

I've truly enjoyed watching him on the Moveon speeches!!!

Gore unleashed is allowed to be himself. He can speak to ideas that have meaning for him. He can bring people to him instead of having to chase after the latest polls. He can be a champion instead of a lackey.

This whole notion of electibility and courting the center vote is death to the party and the country. It means we are forever going to head to the right. Unless someone stands up and grabs the wheel 1984 will simply have been delayed.

or you don't. I liked Gore but he was preoccupied with Clinton's indiscretions and made himself look look prissy. He needed the stick move from his posterior.

Yes he got preoccupied with everything around him. It was his election to lose. And his advisers waltzed him into it. There were occaisions when you saw him about to toss off their shackles but he was too far invested in their tactics.

Not to be devil's advocate--I wish to God he'd been like this then, too--but I'm just thinking that on a personal level, maybe the time back in the "real world" did him some good. He sure seems a lot healthier and happier these days, anyway...

"Don't dignify it with an answer, Al. That's just what they want you to do."

"Don't be to aggressive, Al, the voters won't like it."

"Don't try to be charming or principled. Stick to the wonkery that is your strength."

Does ANYONE here think the Watergate Dirty Tricks Squads disabanded, or that Busheviks don't do what Luci the Bat Goldberg did, which was to mole the McGovern campaign?

Hell, Uncle Karl Rove WAS a Nixon Dirty Trickster, and I think there is no doubt that much more can be gotten away with since the Nixon Days and certainly more than during anytime during the Days of the Old Republic.

Hell, the Busheviks in the Imperial Senate were spying on their Democratic counterparts FOR A YEAR and I guarantee you (partiuclarly after the Ricin "scare" which allowed Bushevik "clean-up crews" access to empty Senate offices with their laptops and predatory computer programs) and they are going to walk scot-free.

If anyone watched the apprentice last week, you would have seen the female team leader get advice from her "friend" to not address the critcisms from the teammates.

When trump fired the team leader he told her "you didn't fight so you're fired".

The moral: When someone tells you to shutup and absorb the negative energy, it isn't going to make you a better person.

That is a great way to describe what I believe was going on with Al Gore at the time.

Why do Democrats beat Al Gore up when they have never run for president, much less dog catcher?

The back seat analysts who pontificate on what Gore should have been doing make me mad and disheartened to see such fair weathered support in our own party. Yes there are individuals that I dont agree with who are running for president right now because I believe (no I dont have tangible proof at this time), because of their own establishment connections they could be obtaining the nomination which is not fairly theres.

Al got his nomination fair and square, and he had the presidency as well, which was yanked from his reach, and no one was there, including many of us, to fight for his rightful position as president.

Al Gore is an ethical good human being. The naysayers continue to ignore the reality of what and who were truly out to get Gore and even THAT they blame on Gore.

Boggles the mind. I do hope I never have friends or supporters who leave me high and dry when the going gets tough.

The word was that he was MEAN, that he had been MEAN to Bradley, was RUTHLESS and an ATTACK DOG, and that poor little Shrub was just a cuddly puppy, and that big bad MEAN GORE better NOT be MEAN to Shrub.

It's the same thing Tweety-the-jerk laid out during the CA recall, saying that DAVIS ***BETTER NOT*** do his negative campaigning against Ahhhnuld.

They kept saying that "the American people" were TIRED of negative partisanship and "the politics of personal destruction".

And GORE is a noble, polite dude, so he LISTENED to all of those people yapping at him, who were working against him all the while.

a then crowned presidential candidate allowing himself to be "handled" by "conventional wisdom" courtiers.

came back from a 15 point deficit in the polls and beat Dumbya in his brothers state.... I'd say Gore did just fine considering all he was up against..

gotten the electoral results they wanted in as many states as would have been needed to swing a known close election?

Yes, Gore won by 500,000 votes. However, the Constitution dictates that the candidate with the most votes from the electoral college wins. If it was based strictly on popular votes, candidates could ignore rural areas and campaign in only large, densely populated areas. The electoral college exists to ensure that 85% (land mass)of the country isn't ignored in an election season. I didn't care for the outcome in 2000, but those are the rules.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

Nowadays he can say what he wants, without worrying about having 'gone too far', losing votes, being called "mean" by the media whores, and all that. Yes, I agree he should have been more enthuiastic, etc, in 2000, but none of us have ever been the prez nominee -- we do not KNOW what it is like. We can't possibly imagine, either.

because I was so surprised to see Gore like that. I liked it!:)

Now we will have the "Gore Scream" ad nauseum. Even if he is right (and he is) I think it will hurt Dean by association ala the temperament topic.

I don't think he is doing us any favors with potential "swing" voters who defected to Bush in 2000 primarily to misgivings about Al's personality and "style."

While the media will play this frequently, they never will play Delay or others of his ilk ranting about Dems like we know they do in similar gatherings making Dems seem wild and incapable of calm stewardship.

have only seen tiny clips and would love to read or hear it in context. was it on c-span maybe?

thanks in advance.

rescue this thread: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1100757

and he was just plain bad. Just really bad live. He never really said anything -- now message.

He spoke a populist message very strongly.

The problems were twofold:

1) America's real enemy, the corporate political media, wouldn't let him so much as sigh over Bush's blatant dishonesties. The corporate media called Gore a liar about everything he said even if they had to flat-out lie about what he said to do it.

The bad advice he received was simply in response to a media that most Democrats still felt, even after Whitewater and Monica, was an honorable profession. The Gore campaign was boxed in whether they fought back or didn't fight back. Try to understand that.

2) Rank and file Democrats were timid, prissy about Clinton having 'lied' - something I still can't fathom - and willing to accept varying degrees the dishonesty levied against Gore by the Republican media as credible. With help from green dishonesty like 'dimes worth of difference', many Democrats were voting for the 'lesser of two evils'. Democrats should look into the mirror first before they blame anybody for 2000. We should have been in the streets chanting 'Get away from Gore's house!' Democrats let Gore down, not the other way around.


Let me reiterate the salient point, since so many Democrats just don't quite get it: America's real enemy is not Republicans. It's not al Qaeda. It's not illegal wars. It's not tax cuts for the rich. It's not an exploding deficit. It's not Al Gore not trying hard enough.

Those things are just figments of imagination without a corporate media that has worked overtime to enable all of it.

and until the corporate media is brought under control/accountability to it's citizens any and everybody stands to be smeared under it's out of control hand. I don't think this is what the forefathers had in mind for freedom of the press.

Still, you are correct. If he had shown that kind of fighting spark the whole campaign, the Repuke/Press spin that he was wooden and lifeless would have been shot down.

Americans respect fighters. They don't like wimps.

I think Gore would have won handily and with no questions about it.