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Paragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:05 AM Original message |
Why Mel's bloody "Christ" misses the point |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. The other thing the movie is unlikely to address |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I'm not a fan of the "inerrant" notion |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. for more fun read the apocryphal texts and compare |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The ancient church |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. That's What Always Happens |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. this being the case |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Pretty Much |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. What about the Ionnite heresy? Anyone out there take that seriously? |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Maybe you could fill me in on that one. |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. No hidden intent. The Ionnite Heresy were early Christians who |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. ahh I see. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
3. The problem is people are not moved by the suffering of their enemies |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Americans are already far too accepting of retribution |
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DarkPhenyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
4. Rent "Dogma" instead. |
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Kathy in Cambridge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I loved "Dogma"-Chris Rock was funny as hell |
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DarkPhenyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. "What I just did there gave me a splitting headache! |
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Beer Snob-50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. Dogma and Bruce Almighty |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
61. Me, too. Both address the hypocrisy of many who call themselves |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'm ghlad you caught the facts about the Last Temptation |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Better Yet, Read the Book |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
69. Like I say, the Jews didn't kill Jesus, WE ALL did. |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Weird isn't it? That Jesus |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 07:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. I didn't kill anyone, and neither did you |
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gate of the sun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Your right about that jsw |
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BearFlagDemocrat (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
12. Or read Anne Rice's "Memnoch the Devil" |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
70. Like "Passion," a work of fiction. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
14. The Last Temptation was flawless; Dogma was hilarious |
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DarkPhenyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Excellent observation. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
17. Jesus' forgiving his executioners is also NOT addressed..... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That's very wrong |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Mel is a typical "christian" fanatic... |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. he also left out the blood libel |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Really |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. the last article i read on it said he took it out. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
71. Interesting--I may have to watch to see if that is portrayed. |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
21. Sounds to me like a 21st century, "Birth of a Nation." |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. maybe you're forgetting that aside from the Romans... |
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DrWeird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Not at all. |
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plurality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. The point I'm making is simple. |
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Wapsie B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
23. Some konservative fundies |
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elfwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
24. a Rabbi's response |
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elfwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. my Rabbi's original response when the controversy started |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I'll watch the film |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Interesting |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
62. Christians killed Christ just as much (if not more) than the Jews did. |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
29. The Cathars preferred the Dove as a symbol of Christ's living love |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
63. I still do; far more evocative of what Christ means to me. |
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brainwashed_youth (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
34. once again I'm amazed |
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Paragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
101. It's R-rated for violence, genius |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
37. just ask Amnesty International |
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GreyV (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
38. I get it! |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
42. non-Christian DU trashes a Christian movie |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. That's funny |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. yeah, the nuns are tying you up and forcing you to watch |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Nope, Christians never try to force their world view on others |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. (Sigh.) SOME Christians. SOME. |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. It's not a Christian Movie. It's a Movie. |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. you've seen the movie? |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Haven't criticised it either. |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. heh - I'm being way to touchy? |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. But your point was directed at me, and I don't believe I've ever |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. I'm keenly interested in the religious debates, and you have never, |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Thank you. I'd call myself a Buddhist, but I don't know enough of the |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. "I'm being way to touchy?" |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. according to ... you? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Did you even read the original post? |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. yes |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I did |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
76. Which responses do you find disrespectful? |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. You must admit, it would be great to use that argument in politics. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Clearly not, I'm afraid. To all intents and purposes for THIS thread, |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. According to me, too. You haven't even addressed the idea posed in |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. This Christian finds about, not percentage-wise, but in actual quantity: |
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. don't like unwanted critical opinions? Don't make movies and advertise 'em |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. you've seen the movie? |
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. so? I think ALL movie critics are uninformed and baseless. Vile, too. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
67. Nailed it! Ya know, Mel has got to be lapping it up like milk! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
74. But what is your opinion on the "bloody" Crucifixion, |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
82. where do you get that 70% figure? I happen to be Catholic... |
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Paragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
102. yeah, it's only "non-Christian DU" that finds the film controversial |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
54. I am SO glad I'm not religious |
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Democritus AChE (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
68. I wish Jesus was dead. |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
93. hes not dead or fictional according to that Book |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Deleted message |
arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. interesting comments |
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eileen_d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
72. Gibson made the movie he wanted to make. What's the problem? |
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JasonDeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
79. The Apostles were eye witness of Christ's SUFFERING |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. but what about the millions |
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JasonDeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 07:49 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. You can't have an understanding of Holiness to say |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. are you saying |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. so long as you realize |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. a "nice guy" said this: |
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Piperay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
84. I think it is a shame that |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. how many films has Gibson made about love and compassion? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
85. I don't see the problem... |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
88. Look,Gibson has an inordinate amount of children to support |
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Hammie (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
89. It is his $24M |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
90. My Young son's comment |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
92. I love being a Wiccan |
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scarface2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-17-04 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
95. i just saw the movie... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 12:30 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. that could explain...? |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
100. What I'm wondering is if candy and popcorn will be sold. |
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