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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 12:42 PM
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Bullsh*t Freeper Spam from Iraq
Here's a copy of an email sent to me by my father, who unfortunately is an agent of the dark side:

Iraq Report Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003

TO ALL: This is a response to a message that said rules of engagement (ROE) were causing Army deaths and did not apply to the Marines. No, it's not true. The ROE are dictated by CJTF-7, not individual commanders, and the rules are the same for Army and Marines. We are each required to be armed at all times.

The two magazine rule is that you must have at least two magazines on your person at all times, this helps when you're engaging the enemy. Most people carry at least three pistol mags and seven rifle mags respectively.

Both Army and Marine units openly display their weapons. They both shoot when threatened also. Army and Marine personnel shooting first have thwarted several attacks. We're also much better shots than the enemy. They tend to spray and pray, while we tend to just shoot them.

The Army has more attacks because their AOR (area of responsibility)encompasses Baghdad and the surrounding areas where the bulk of the attacks have taken place. I've noticed the press does a poor job in reporting military response to these ambushes.

The usual 'real' military report reads: " Five IZ (Iraqis) fired AK-47s and RPGs at patrol (or convoy), soldiers (or marines) returned fire resulting in 3 KIA, and 1 WIA, 1 escaped. Enemy RPGs missed, AK fire ineffective, no US casualties."

We do take some casualties, but we are very effective at counter-firing at the ambushes. Our aggressiveness has proven very effective.

The enemy is primarily made up of insurgents from Iran and Syria who hire Iraqis to attack coalition soldiers, not disgruntled Iraqis who are mad that their electricity is not on all day yet. They provide them with AKs and RPGs and send them on their way with a promise of cash after the attack. They have even give motorcycles to kids which they are allowed to keep if they ride by a coalition check point and drop a grenade. After one such attack, we found out how easy it was to shoot people off motorcycles. You can hear them from a long way off and shoot them long before they get within grenade dropping distance.

We have good leaders, and they're responding aggressively and well to the attacks, they emphasize that everyone must engage the enemy whenever they show them- selves. The kids here are excited to do their job, and they do it well, with the proper weapons and lots of ammo. We go out with M2 50 cals and MK-19 automatic grenade launchers mounted on our vehicles. We carry SAWs, M-203s, M-16s, and M9s. We also carry several different types of grenades and use everything as needed.

We read press articles on the net that have no resemblance to reality every day. The press lies, they make things up, and they misrepresent things to forward their own interests. It would be funny, except that so many people believe them.

Take care,

John H. Taylor LTC,
CA Babylon, Iraq
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 12:55 PM
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1. I am very proud of your father.
He is doing his job dispite well, the reality bites..... I would not say he's an agent of the darker side at all. He writes with somber pride....a true American Hero.......

I wish his guardian angel to guide him safely home to give you a big hug...if that is what father/sons do......
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 12:58 PM
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2. That ol' lib'rul media is lying again!
I believed the first part of the statement but not the stuff about the press articles not bearing resemblance to reality. I believe the U.S. media has, for the most part, been very fair and in some cases too pro-administration in its coverage of the war.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 01:25 PM
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3. This was written by a Lieutenant Colonel
It has been my experience the higher up the chain of command the bigger the liar. Don't expect truth just propaganda from a source such as this one.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-03 01:52 PM
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4. Interestingly, the letter writer admits to war crimes...
Shooting people on motor bikes merely because other people on motor bikes have carried out attacks is a war crime.

Notice that he says they "shoot them long before they get within grenade dropping distance". Ask yourself how soldiers can see a person is armed with a grenade long before that person can get within range to throw it.

Also notice that he claims that US forces have fired "first" on many occasions. In other words it wasn't an Iraqi ambush of a US patrol, but what appeared to be possible hostiles. How many times have they been wrong? How many innocent Iraqis have been murdered by US soldiers afraid of their own shadows?

What this guy describes are not soldiers but scared shitless children shooting at anything that makes them uneasy. Basically he is calling US forces a pack of cowardly murderers.
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