Attacks on Nader are stupid..

Nader didn't give Bush the election in 2000.

How many Democrats voted for Bush in 2000? How many Socialists voted for their party candidate in 2000? How many Libertarians voted for Harry Browne? Are they also to blame?

To blame Nader for putting Bush in the White House is not really dealing with the facts. We all know why Bush is in the White House.

1)Florida blacks scrubbed from voter registration lists.

2)Bush installed as President by right-wing of the Supreme Court.

3)A statewide recount of Florida's 2000 vote by the most liberal standard would have given Gore the election.

Most Democrats, Progressives and Liberals realize how extreme the situation is regarding the defeat of Bush in November and so the Democratic Party is more united today than it has ever been since Harry S. Truman's time.

Nader will serve an informative function of attacking the corporate whore Republicans and their Iraq lies, Drug Co. hand-outs (medicare), wasteful military spending and corporate control of the mass media. He will also serve to keep the pressure on Kerry and Edwards to move more toward the left (a finction that has largely been that of Sharpton and Kucinich).

Nader will not give this election to Bush. Nader is a good man. He's one of us. Let's not attack him for telling the truth. Hell, he might appeal to disaffected republicans upset at this President's "conservatism" in regards to federal spending, the deficit, the debt. This clown in the White House has more than just Democrats pissed at him.

I don't see this election even being close. Kerry/Edwards...Edwards/Kerry....Clark somewhere in the mix?

Bush is toast.

would vote for John Kerry anyway. They'd vote third party regardless.

have already acknowledged their mistake and promised to vote for the Democratic nominee.

And, don't forget, if you have a short memory let me remind you, the Supreme Court of the United States of America made your vote meaningless by halting the vote count in 2000 in Florida with 138,000 votes to go. Just thought you may have needed a little reminder of who stole your election, and what we're up against.

READ Justice Scalia's opinion on the case sometime.

It's a travesty. To whom should we appeal it? Which court is the next higher from the US Supreme Court?

The one thing doesn't justify the other. The Scalia majority may have stolen the election, but the Florida Nader voters left the door unlocked and the keys in the ignition.

Nader appeals to "liberals", correct?

Anybody who is a Democrat who hasn't been in a coma for the last 3+ years knows that removing Bush is paramount come November.

Ralph is not going to get the numbers he got in 2000, no f-ing way.

For cripes sake, do these people frothing at the mouth about Nader eat their young?

Nader is a champion of liberal causes cut the guy some slack.

You would think that the unease at which Dems are taking the news of Nader's announcement is an indication that the Dems believe that Bush is not as widely despised as some would think he is. I think Bush is extremely unpopular right now.

That could change by pulling an Osama out of the hat but that still might not be enough. Look at Iraq after Hussein's capture.

I still think Bush is toast in November.

nemesis now.

well unless he steals the election again and Democrats blame it on Ralph Nader instead of the Supreme Court, the undemocraticly appointed arm of our government by the way.

... to have some integrity. To do what they say they will do. To not do what they say they won't.

Nader fails on all 3 counts. I don't give a rat's ass how much I agree with his message, as a messenger or a leader I don't want him, period, exclamation point.

I'm not worried about him, because nobody is going to give him any air time and onyl the delusional cut-off-my-nose-to-spite-my-face crowd is going to vote for him.

the hard truth is too difficult for many to face.

Every poll shows Bush and Kerry or Edwards basically neck-and-neck. The electorate is split 50-50, generally speaking. A light breeze could blow it one way or another, to say nothing of a big wind like Nader.

All the Republican chicanery in Florida is irrelevant to this issue for two reasons.

1) the Republicans did what they did on purpose. The fact that Nader voters are still welcome on DU presupposes that they did it by accident, a mistake (putting Bush in office, that is). Therefore, while it is pointless to complain about R chicanery since they're happy they did it and would do it again, there is a point in complaining about Nader voters in Florida because there is some reason to hope that people will recognize their mistake and not repeat it.

2) 88,000 Florida voters went for Nader. If he hadn't run or had withdrawn and endorsed Gore or if even 5% of that number had smelled the coffee and voted for Gore, it'd be President Gore now. The margin would have put Gore over on the first mechanical count and every mechanical count thereafter. All of the Republican chicanery would have accomplished nothing, been irrelevant.

The Republicans may have stolen the election, but the Florida Nader voters left the door unlocked and the keys in the ignition.

which is a larger number than those who voted for Nader

They voted for Bush because they wanted Bush. No point in complaining to them about it.

Many folks register Democrat not because they are Democrats but because it's the only way to cast a meaningful vote in local elections. I know that's true in many parts of Texas and I believe it's true across the South.

but I won't be voting for him in November.

Gore won New Jersey which made it easier for me to vote Nader. Had it been close I would have voted Gore.

I would bet most Nader voters from 2000 will vote Democrat Nominee in November. I would bet most Democrats who voted for Bush in 2000 will come back home in November, and I will bet alot of REAL conservatives vote for Nader in November.

And from your mouth to God's ears, as they say.

those who do it the next time around should have learned their lesson and realize that they are only helping the chimp.

I think Bush has been an extreme enough example to show that there is a difference (however slight) between the two parties.

I bet Nader gets disaffected republicans or they stay home on election day.

It's going to be the job of Bush's handlers to try and paint the Democratic nominee as an extreme lefty, to paint him as a radical, in the eyes of their voters. Quite a feat since the Bush regime is radical in and of itself.

It is embarassing. Very shallow viewpoint.

What irony that many Progressives are pro-choice in life and not pro-choice on the ballot. There are two reasons and one root cause that put Bush in the White House in 2000.

Reasons -
1) Katherine Harris purging thousands of Black Voters, which would have voted for Gore. Thanks for bringing that up Gore. <Insert sarcasm>

2) The Supreme Court, we all know that story.

Root Cause-
The Democrats gave Nader a reason to run, and more importantly the Democrats gave people a reason to vote for him. (Note I voted for Gore in 2k)When I talk to Greens I usually walk away with the impression that they are disenfranchised Democrats, whose fault is that?


A vote for Ralph Nader is a vote for Bush? Did I miss that fine print on the ballot? I knew I should have read the whole thing. (Note- I voted Gore in 2k) A vote for Ralph Nader is another signal to the Democrats that they are slowly loses their base. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

The Democrats try to put us in that inside the box thinking, they seem to think they are ordained to get our vote as opposed to wanting our vote. With all the anger directed at the Greens and my fellow (liberal) Independents, you are successfully pissing off people who have similar political and ideological notions as yourself. While this cafeteria food fight is taking place, the Right wing sits arrogantly secure in the middle of the courtyard knowing they have the UN-questioning loyalty of their base.


If California is not in play, which it won’t be, Nader will have my vote.