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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:06 PM
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Bob Graham.....Democratic point man for VP?
It's been bought up many times but I have to say it. I think Bob Graham would really be an excellent choice for VP. He is a Southerner from Florida and if any Democrat is going to carry Florida, then you need Graham. He is my third favorite presidential candidate but I think Howard Dean would be smart to pick him if (or maybe I should say WHEN!) he gets the Democratic nomination.

John
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:11 PM
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1. Agree
Bob Graham has had the courage to lead the fight against the Bush gang. He would make a great VP, or President. I to like Dean for President. Again, I will support any democrat who gets the nod. Bush must go!:toast:
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mcd1982 Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:14 PM
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2. I agree...
Somewhat. I would love to have Graham as the candidate for president, though I would settle for VP. My only concern is he'd be too old to run for president in 2012, as the VP would be the natural choice. I dunno if that's really an issue or not, but something I've thought about.

Matthew
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:26 PM
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3. disagree
not VP...President
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:35 PM
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4. Graham is the man
Bob Graham is the best VP choice around. He's from Florida, he's well-liked by people in the Midwest and in the South, he's a former governor, and he's a really nice guy. My second choice would be Wesley Clark and my third choice would be Sen. Mary Landrieu.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:38 PM
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5. "and if any Democrat is going to carry Florida, then you need Graham"
Edwards could win Florida without him, although it would be in the lean way way dem column if it was Edwards-Graham.

Kerry is the top teir( and my top tier includes 5 guys for the purpouses of this discussion) candidate who would benefit most from Graham as his veep. I've heard this ticket mentioned on numerous occasions from well-connected dem veterans, both on TV and at events.

Dean would probably pick either Graham or Clark, but it's very, very, unlikely that he'd even come close to winning Florida, even with Graham.

If Graham raises less than 4-5 million in the 3rd quarter, a likely veep is what you should consider him as only.

back to my original point though, there are many, many reasons why Edwards could carry Florida, with or without Graham

the college dems at my school are going to send a letter urging graham to run for reelection to the senate in the fall though, which he could legally do and run for VP with Kerry at the same time if Kerry gets the nomination
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GBD4 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:35 PM
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7. Sorry, but no
You are forgetting a very important factor.

You want him to run for reelection and VP simultaneously? Why?!? I assume you want the Dems to win the Pres, right? In that case you'd be having Jeb handpick a Senate successor for Senator Bob Graham! Let another Dem run for Senate if Senator Graham is to be on the ticket. Otherwise Katherine Harris could be your next Senator from Florida.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 10:31 PM
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11. I don't want that
Only in the case that Kerry is Nominated I think he should be veep

but I want Edwards nominated and Edwards can win Florida, and NC, TN, and AR, without Graham. Therefor Graham should file papers for reelection to the senate. If Edwards is nominated he can stay a senator. If Kerry is nominated, he can run for both.

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samurai_jack Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:27 PM
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6. OK time to gripe
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but I find it incredibly insulting to Graham that after all he has done to prove that he is, without a shred of doubt, the most accomplished and capable person running for president all anyone seems to want to do is suggest that Graham would be a good choice for VP?

WTF????

What about a frickin' "THANK YOU, BOB!" first?

It is because of Bob Graham (and only Bob Graham), that Bush's Sept. 11th and "can't find osama,but can find time to invade iraq" coverups are finally being taken seriously by the media.

Two weeks ago, Bob Graham came out with a stunning economic plan that daringly called for a massive public works initiative to put people back to work as well as sow the seeds of future prosperity. In this age of trickle-down economics, proposing something like that takes huge gonads.

Graham was almost singlehandedly responsible for SAVING THE GODDAMN FLORIDA EVERGLADES FROM CORPORATE DEVELOPERS when he was governor of florida.

Now that Wellstone is gone, he may be the only US Senator who has vigourously spoken out against the horrible way this nation treats Haitian refugees most of whom come to his state, where they are politically unpopular. Hell, his state was invaded by tens of thousands of Cuban exiles and former prisoners in the early 80s and he not only successfully managed that situation, he came out of it more popular than ever.

But, yeah, that Graham ought to get some consideration for VP, ya know, 'cause he could bring in Florida. </sarcasm>





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GBD4 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:45 PM
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8. Thank you!
Senator Bob Graham has never said he wants to be VP. It is the media and fellow Dems who insist this is the case! Rather than respect a guy who has won five statewide races easily and kept Dems in existence in the state of FL, all people want to do is belittle the Graham Campaign. Only Senator Graham can fight for Haitian refugees while winning Cuban areas of SoFla at the same time. He is so well respected in a state run by Jeb. He has been a consistent voice on environmental protection, affirmative action, need for avoiding tax cuts to the rich, and all of the other core Democratic issues. He is putting all his passion and effort into this race. It's about time some people just let him run his campaign for President.
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lkinsale Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 10:38 PM
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13. You GO, Jack! Graham for President!
Enough with this VP stuff. We'll get to that when we have a Democratic nominee.

Graham IS the guy who can pull these legendary swing voters. If we want to beat Bush, it's time to look seriously at exactly who can do it. All over the country.


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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 10:40 PM
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14. I can only agree.
When it comes to his attempts to get our nation to treat refugees equally he's a champion.

I can see him as a GREAT President. Sadly though that's unlikely given the Dem primary. Not because of me but you know the score...

That said he would be the BEST VP candidate ever!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 11:44 PM
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16. Just one question
He talks sometimes as if he's at a loss for words. You get what I mean?

How does that go over across all spectrums in Florida? He seems like a plodding along kind of guy, which might work okay at the Senate level because he's got the time to do that. What about the national level? That's my biggest worry with Graham. You know his patterns and how people view him, whaddya think?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 08:50 AM
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17. Here, here. Bob is the best man for the job. And eveybody wants...
him to "prop up" their candidate. The same goes with Wesley Clark. Everybody wants either Graham or Clark for VP because they are the best at what they do with the most gravitas.

WAKE UP DU! Graham/Clark is the way to go. If they're the best, they should be the team.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:46 PM
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9. Graham should be at the top of the ticket ...
I think that he will emerge from the pack during the second flurry of primaries.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 09:53 PM
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10. Yes. WAKE UP, folks! You are looking at our next President, God willing.
Bob Graham has proven himself to be THE most qualified candidate in this race for President. And not to even mention strongly electable. Look at his history since 1966. Sheesh. He has a broad appeal across the center of our party, and let's face it, the curve skew is thickest through the moderate middle. It's incomprehensible how some people deliberately and tightly close their eyes and minds to his candidacy, or try to minimize his campaign by a chuckle or a wave of the hand or a condescending, passing glance as a *possible* VP candidate, ready for the rocking chair or the ever omnipresent "but he has no charismaaaaaaa".

Every day that THAT nonsense is chewed on and regurgitated, the more fractured our efforts become toward the ONE GOAL WE ALL HAVE, AND THAT IS TO OUST BUSH. Open your eyes, people. Time is a-wastin'!

And hang onto your hats, because when it comes to challenging Bush, Bob Graham is fearless. And he has the inside knowledge of those criminals like no other candidate could hope for. He can't do it alone, people. Bush is on the ropes. We MUST do everything we possibly can to support Graham, because he is fighting like pure HELL for us.

If we ignore Bob Graham, it will be at our peril.







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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 10:36 PM
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12. Bob Graham is truly a respected person, period.
Frankly, and remember I'm a FAR FAR LEFT DU'er, I respect Graham enough to see him as President, I trust him.

When it comes to VP? I have no doubt that he is the best choice, period.

IMO one would be insane to dismiss him.

He isn't as far Left as I'd like but his attention to the working class citizen is unique.

Give him a shot.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 10:46 PM
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15. Just out of curiousity....
Has any polling been done to show the relative strengths/weaknesses of pairings? There's been a lot of Dean/Graham Kerry/Edwards type of talk but I wonder if there are polls that show us the most favorable pairings....
e.g.

Dean/Edwards vs Bush
Dean/Kucinich
Dean/lieberman etc.,etc.....how many combinations would that be?

9 candidates x 8 combos n(n-1) =72? Is my math right?

Graham would be quite good in my opinion but I'd really like to see something based on more than speculation.
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