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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:33 PM
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Patriot Act II - where can I read up on this?
My god, they need another Patriot Act (which probably, like the first one, WON'T be read by anybody in elected - or selected - office?) because the first one isn't working?

WTF?!
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:35 PM
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1. Here you go!
This is the ACLU Section-by-Section analysis of Patriot Act 2:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=11835&c=206
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:41 PM
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2. What a bunch of fucking Nazis!
Thanks for the info, that is pretty scary stuff that Adolf Bush* and Tomboy Ridge are intent on having.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:42 PM
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3. Oh yes
I just went to a workshop last weekend on this and had it all explained to me point-by-point by the head lawyer of the Western MA ACLU chapter...it's truly the stuff of nightmares.
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:54 PM
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5. It would probably make a bunch of us here as traitors too
Edited on Sat Aug-02-03 07:55 PM by thermodynamic
But at least we'd all get to meet in Gitmo where we'd get tortured to death, but even that humor is too dark for my liking. :-(

And that Asinine Apostate* has the gall to talk about terrorists being jealous of America's freedoms? Hell, what freedoms will be left when he* is through, apart from the freedoms accorded to the big corporations allowing them to get away with everything shady and unethical. It's disgusting and it's depraved.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:48 PM
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4. Ruppert provides an excellent overview, as well.
TRIAL BALLOON? Patriot II - '5-10 Times Worse Than The Patriot Act'

By Michael C. Ruppert
2-25-3

 
(FTW) -- With more than twenty U.S. cities having passed resolutions openly opposing the multiple civil liberties violations in the 2001 Patriot Act, and as the state of New Mexico debates legislation that would encourage police agencies to avoid violations of the First Amendment, the recent leak of a secret Bush administration bill that would further erode civil liberties has provoked a bizarre tale of denials and "non responses" by the administration. Thus far the saga of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 - commonly known as Patriot II - suggests that the leak of the proposed legislation was possibly a "trial balloon" or "tester" to gauge both public and congressional reaction to a bill that, if passed, would grant the federal government drastic new powers in a continuing erosion of the Bill of Rights.

Patriot II has not been officially introduced in either house of congress and thus has no official standing. It has, however, been officially transmitted by the Bush Justice Department to Vice President Cheney (President of the Senate) and House Speaker Denny Hastert, R-Illinois.

The bill has already been given a clandestine odor and the Bush administration has violated standard congressional protocols in its handling. In fact, the administration has been caught in outright lies about the bill's actual status. In official comments dated February 10, ranking Senate Judiciary Committee member Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, stated, "For months, and as recently as just last week, Justice Department officials have denied to members of the Judiciary Committee that they were drafting another anti-terrorism package. There still has not been any hint from them about their draft bill."

John Conyers, D-Michigan, ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over proposed anti-terrorism legislation, in a Feb, 10th letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft -- signed also by Representatives Robert Scott, D-Virginia, and Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, wrote:

We write to express my profound disappointment about your Department's handling of anti-terrorism policy. Recent reports irrefutably indicate that the Department of Justice has been working on a successor bill to the "USA Patriot Act" for some time. Notwithstanding the Judiciary Committee's jurisdiction in this matter and outstanding record of dealing with this legislation, the Committee reported a bipartisan version of the Patriot Act by a unanimous vote, according to the Chairman's spokesman there have been no consultations with the Committee on this bill.

CONTINUED...

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/022503_patriot_2.html
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:59 PM
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6. I did some research on it a while back,
and put a bunch of links on my web site

http://www.leftweb.com/blatant_truth

click on "civil liberties in jeopardy"--lots of good background info
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