Kucinich - This Is The Moment... The Time is Now! What do you think?

Please. No flamewars.

I'm just interested in people's thought because I so often hear that DK is not exciting and from having seen him personally and then finding videos like this, I don't understand why people have that impression... So I am curious as to fellow-DUers' reactions.

Thanks and peace :)

This Is The Moment... The Time is Now!
http://www.muzility.com/video/viewer.php?code=kucinich/moment


There's a lot more stuff at the web-site that linked to that for those who are interested: http://soli.inav.net/~njohnson/kucinich/

I thought that he was the one out of three candidates that looked like he believed in what he said.

but I think that's no secret at DU ;)

Never, not once, did I ever think that such a candidate would ever come along. Kucinich is a political Messiah for me.

I fear the quote from the Bible "he came and they knew him not" might apply in this case. I love him, too, and hate to see this sincere man put down. I like the way he looks, and I love the way he talks. GO KUCINICH!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

but it's beginning to look that way and you can see the marginalization in the media. I've started writing letters to the newspapers that seem to be deliberately marginalizing DK by giving credit for things he's done to others and not even mentioning him.

Thank God for all activists and concerned voters, regardless of who we're backing, that we have the internet to combat the corporations and their tactics!

Peace and yeah- I love the way he looks and talks. Never has a candidate excited me this much! Never- not even McKinney and that's saying a lot!

Peace

Best wishes to the Kucinich campaign and a warm embrace to all Kucinich supporters. It may not seem like it at times, but all of us are on the same side of the barricades.

End the Occupation of Iraq. Bring the troops home, NOW!

And it's precisely your sporting spirit that will carry the day for us. I have a warm embrace for all my fellow DUers, regardless of whom they're supporting. To each his/her own conscience and vote! All that counts is that we do the right thing for the Primaries and then band together to get * out!

I want to excite people about my candidate and welcome to opportunity to have fellow DUers excite me about their's.

Peace and thanks IG. You're one of a kind!

End the Occupation of Iraq. Bring the troops home, NOW!

Those who say the Dennis is not exciting or inspiring are flat out wrong. I would venture to say most of the naysayers have never had any experience of listening to Dennis outside of the soundbites on the proganda networks referred to as "news".

and in all fairness, I will say that I have never met Dean or experienced seeing him (Dean supporters- would you post an inspiring video in a separate thread? I would be interested to see!) though I did hear him on a radio interview link that sfecap was kind enough to share.

As for Kerry and the others, I've barely seen them either so it would be great to see all candidates in what there supporters consider a good light (another thread, please :))

CSPAN is going to broadcast the AFL-CIO Dem Debates this Tuesday at 8PM PST (if I jotted the info correctly) and I really look forward to paying close attention to all our candidates.

I want to do what I can to ensure we send the best possible man for us/America after Bush!

Look. I hope you're a young guy because we need that idealism
but Kucinich has less of a chance of becoming President than
Jerry Springer does.

The proposal for a Department of Peace and the attempt to ban
space-based mind control weapons make the Menace a joke. The
Lenos and Lettermans of the world would make him a source of
enormous laughter if he even got close to the nomination.

Fortunately for the Democrats there is zero chance of DK
having a campaign after New Hampshire.

Many of the greatest heros of the world were poo-poo'd too so I won't let that discourage me. Btw, no I'm not a young guy. I'm a 43 year old woman, retired Military Intelligence Army Veteran from an intellectual, wealthy (I am as broke as a church-mouse and will die that way) multi-ethnic background. I have seen death close up and held one of my young soldier's head in my lap as the blood seeped out during one of those little conflicts that never quite make the US news. I am not fresh-minded and innocent anymore- I'm actually jaded and cynical but have a strong faith that Good can prevail and I think Birdman, I am convinced, THIS is the man. We are at a moral cross-road in America right now and we don't have the luxury of choosing unwisely. The course we've been on for over the last 20 years is leading us to a world catastrophe and only a very special man will be able to change the direction we've taken. Peace

Read this and tell me you still believe what you said- quite as strongly at least:

Is Kucinich Electable? Can He Beat Bush?

If any Democrat has a history of attracting swing voters and "Reagan Democrats" in winning elections against better-funded Republican opponents, it is Dennis Kucinich. He has repeatedly defeated entrenched incumbents. He beat a Republican incumbent for mayor in 1977, for state senator in 1994 (overcoming the national right-wing tide) and for
Congress in 1996.

His Congressional district includes the suburb of Parma, Ohio, described as "one of the original homes of the Reagan Democrats." An Ohio daily calls it a "conservative Democratic district," which he carried by 74% in 2002. Being a success there may be a better predictor of national success than holding statewide office in a liberal stronghold like Vermont or Massachusetts.

Kucinich is a winner because he builds Wellstone-like grassroots campaigns against bigger-spending opponents. He is a winner because of his blue collar roots and populism, reflected in his battles for heartland voters against unfair, corporate-friendly trade deals.

He is an unabashed progressive who wins because swing voters who don't agree with him on every issue still see him as a fighter for their interests, as someone who will put the interests of workers and middle-class consumers ahead of big-money interests. No Democrat is better positioned in 2004 to attract 'Reagan Democrats' and swing voters with a frontal attack on how Bush policies hurt them and favor the rich.

Republicans use "wedge" issues to pry away traditionally-Democratic white working class voters -- a tactic that has not succeeded against Kucinich. In '96, for example, Republicans used his support of gay rights as a wedge, and he stood firm and triumphed.

On the other side of the spectrum, no other candidate can attract disaffected voters, 3rd party voters and Ralph Nader supporters to the Democratic column like Kucinich. Across the country, Nader 2000 voters and Green Party sympathizers are joining his campaign, as are other 3rd party supporters.

It's been a long while since progressives and the Democratic base have been so motivated, and so angry -- over manipulation and deceit that began in the 2000 election and continued through the Iraq war (now finally catching up with the Bush team). No candidate can better tap into and mobilize the anger of the Democratic base than Kucinich, who has never wavered in his opposition, who has courageously led the way in exposing war manipulation, and who speaks with passion to the big issues that animate Democratic and progressive activists.

Kucinich has been a winner in a swing district in the swing state of Ohio. And Ohio has 20 electoral votes. It is the state that is key to national victory; only two candidates in the 20th century won the presidency without carrying Ohio.

Al Gore lost Ohio in 2000 despite the Herculean efforts of Kucinich, as vividly described by journalist James Ridgeway in an article written days before the election: "Kucinich is a shoo-in, but hauling Gore along will be a daunting task. Shuttling back and forth from Washington, Kucinich has put together an old-fashioned canvassing operation throughout Cleveland and its suburbs that is one of the largest such efforts in the nation. By election day, 400 to 500 people will be on the streets...

"Day after day, members of the laborers, electricians, plumbers, and steelworkers unions crowd into Kucinich's tiny office on Lorain Avenue, piling signs into the backs of cars and pickups before hitting the neighborhoods. The general approach is for volunteers to use Kucinich's name to get a foot in the door, then ask for support for a Democratic judge before uttering the vice president's name."

Kucinich's best efforts couldn't win Ohio for Gore in 2000, but Kucinich can win Ohio himself if he is the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate. And in presidential politics, as Bush-strategist Karl Rove knows well: As Ohio goes, so goes the nation.

http://kucinich.us/electable.htm

I don't understand why people bash him for the Space Weapons bill...

A. Its very likely that the government has projects in the works that we can not even conceive. Seeing as I do not want my mind controlled, I see zero problem in it being banned?

B. Who in a better position to know, us, or a US congressman?

As you say who better than a US Congressman to know how far these things have gone and are going?

Congressman Kucinich, whose popularity is growing rapidly around the U.S. and the world, is Co-Chair of the U.S. House of Representatives Aviation and Space Caucus, Co-Chair of the Baltic Caucus, Chairman of the Progressive Caucus, and is on the Board of the Parliamentarians for Global Action. His Space Preservation Act and its companion Space Preservation Treaty will establish a permanent ban on all space-based weapons, on the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit; and will permanently terminate the research and development, testing, manufacturing, production and deployment of all space-based weapons.

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Vancouver, B.C.-based ICIS Director Alfred Webre, JD, MEd states, "Berkeley Resolution #61744 has been passed at a crucial historic moment. Because of the imminent weaponization of space, we are urging Canada and other U.N. Member Nations to convene an emergency Treaty-signing Conference to facilitate the signing and ratification of the Space Preservation Treaty by world leaders, similar to the Treaty-signing Conference held in Canada in December, 1997, where 122 countries signed the Convention Banning Land Mines, known as the Ottawa Convention. The vehicles needed to accomplish this important goal already are in place. Svend Robinson, a Member of Parliament in Canada, introduced Motion M-527 June 20, 2002, calling on 'Canada to lead an international effort to ban the introduction of all weapons in space through a binding international agreement against the weaponization of space.' Canadian Senator Douglas Roche had introduced the same motion in the Senate on June 13, 2002."

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http://www.donaspring.com/peaceinspace.html

Who but a war mongerer or someone heavily invested in our Weapon's Industry could be against that?!


Post #12 here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=10913&mesg_id=10913#10931 has more information about his stance on Defense and the Space Weapons' Ban.

Peace :) and check out the 274 Groups that endorsed his Space Weapons' Ban Bill. It's comforting... And I think Kucinich can count on the support of these groups for support!

KUCINICH SPACE WEAPONS BAN BILL ENDORSERS (HR 3616)

. 8th Day Center for Justice (Chicago, IL)
. Abolition 2000 (New York Metro)
. Abolition 2000 of Santa Cruz, CA.
. Action des Citoyens pour le Desarmement Nucleaire (France)
. Action for Nuclear Disarmament (Cape Cod, MA)
. Action NOW!
. AIDS Alternativa International
. Alabama New South Coalition (Board)
. Alaska Impact (Fairbanks)
. All India Letter Writers Association
. All Souls Unitarian Church (Colorado Springs, CO)
. American Friends Service Committee Colorado
. American Friends Service Committee Western Massachusetts
. Anarchist Action of Rochester (NY)
. Antiwar.com
. AquaCoalition.org
. Association of World Citizens (San Francisco, CA)
. Australian Peace Committee (Adelaide, South Australia)
. Australian Peace Committee (Queensland)
. Aztlan Media Collective (Los Angeles, CA)
. Baltimore Emergency Response Network (MD)
. Baltimore Hiroshima-Nagasaki Commemoration Committee (MD)
. Border Women's Group (Juarez, Mescio-El Paso TX- Las Cruces NM)
. Brooklyn Greens/Green Party of New York
. California Sun
. Campaign for the Accountability of American Bases (United Kingdom)
. Cape Cod Fellowship of Reconciliation (MA)
. Cape Cod Green Party (MA)
. Center for Global Nonviolence (Honolulu, HI)
. Center for Theology and Social Analysis (St Louis, MO)
. Centre for Peace Studies, University of Auckland (Auckland, New Zealand)
. Central Coast Peace & Environmental Council (San Luis Obispo, CA)
. Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors
. Centre de Ressources Dur La Non-Violence (Montreal, Canada)
. Checkmate - Winning Strategies for Environmental Justice (Vermont)
. Chester River Monthly Meeting of Friends (Chestertown, MD)
. Citizen Soldier (New York, N.Y.)
. Citizens Energy Council (Hewitt, N.J.)
. Citizens Democracy Watch (Florence, OR)
. Citizens for Participation in Political Action (Franklin/Hampshire, MA)
. Citizens for Peace in Space (Colorado Springs, CO)
. City of New Haven Peace Commission (CT)
. Cleveland Peace Action (Ohio)
. Clinton County Peace Education Group (OH)
. Coalition for Nuclear Disarmament and Peace (India)
. Colorado Coalition for the Prevention of Nuclear War
. Communist Party USA
. Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
. Controlled America
. Delray Citizens for Social Responsibility (FL)
. Don Quixote Society
. Don't Waste Connecticut
. Don't Waste Oregon (Portland, OR)
. East Bay Peace Action (Albany, CA)
. Educators for Social Responsibility (Metro New York)
. Every Church a Peace Church (ECAPC) (Duluth, MN)
. Fellowship of Reconciliation (Louisville, KY)
. Fellowship of Reconciliation (Nyack, N.Y.)
. Fellowship of Reconciliation (Seattle, WA)
. Florida Coalition for Peace & Justice
. Flyby News
. Food Not Bombs (Atlanta, GA)
. For Mother Earth (Bucharest, Romania)
. Fresno Center for Nonviolence (CA)
. Friends of the Earth Australia
. Friends of the White Salmon River (Trout Lake, WA)
. Genesee Valley Citizens for Peace (New York)
. Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space
. Global Response (Boulder, CO)
. GRACE Public Fund (New York, N.Y.)
. Grandmothers for Peace (San Luis Obispo, CA)
. Grandmothers for Peace (Superior, WI)
. Grandmothers for Peace International
. Gray Panthers of San Francisco (CA)
. Great Neck SANE/Peace Action (N.Y.)
. Greater New Haven Peace Council (CT)
. Green Earth Organization (Ghana)
. Green Justice Association (Bulgaria)
. Green Party of Connecticut
. Green Party of Skagit County (WA)
. Green Party of the United States
. Greens/Green Party USA
. Greens of Volusia County (FL)
. Greenville Peace Committee (North Carolina)
. Greenwich Village Coalition for Peaceful Priorities (N.Y.)
. Groove Embassy Records
. Ground Zero Center for Nonviolent Action (Poulsbo, WA)
. Hanford Watch (Portland, OR)
. Headingly CND (England)
. High Desert Catholic Worker (Valyermo, CA)
. Home for Peace & Justice (Saginaw, MI)
. Idaho Green Party
. Indian Council of Natural Medicine and Research
. Indian Institute for Peace, Disarmament, & Environmental Protection (Nagpur, India)
. Indianapolis Peace & Justice Center (IN)
. Institute for Cooperation in Space (Ventura, CA)
. Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility - Militarism & Violence Resolution Steering Committee (New York, N.Y.)
. Interfaith Stewards of Creation (Gallup, NM)
. International Association of Educators for World Peace
. International Institute of Concern for Public Health (Canada)
. International Movement for a Just World (Malaysia)
. International Movement for the Ban of Manipulation of Human Nervous System
. International Network of Engineers and Scientists Against PProliferation (INESAP)
. International Parliament for Safety and Peace
. International Society for Ecology & Culture
. Jonah House (Baltimore, MD)
. Journey for Justice
. Just Peace Committee of Peace Church (UCC) (Duluth, MN)
. Kalamazoo Area Coalition for Peace & Justice (MI)
. Kirkstall CND (England)
. Kodiak Rocket Launch Information Group (Kodiak, AK)
. Kurtz Institute of Peacemaking
. Larry Bogart Memorial Library (Hewitt, N.J.)
. Leicester CND (England)
. Livermore Conversion Project (Oakland, CA)
. Long Island Alliance for Peaceful Alternatives (N.Y.)
. Los Alamos Study Group (New Mexico)
. Lutheran Peace Fellowship (Wake County, NC)
. Lynchburg Peace Education Center (VA)
. Making the Walls Transparent
. Malaysian Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War
. Maryknoll Office of Global Concerns
. Massachusetts Peace Action
. McKinley County Green Party (Gallup, NM)
. Menwith Hill Women's Peace Campaign (UK)
. Merseyside CND (England)
. Merrimack Valley People for Peace (MA)
. Midwest Coalition for Responsible Investment (St Louis, MO)
. Mojave Greens (Antelope Valley, CA)
. Moms for Justice (Philadelphia, PA)
. National Organization of Women (Philadelphia, PA)
. Network for Peace and Fairness (Boras, Sweden)
. Nevada Desert Experience
. New Zealand Nuclear-Free Peacemaking Association
. No Nukes North (Fairbanks, Alaska)
. North American Water Office (Lake Elmo, MN)
. North Coast Xpress (CA)
. North Dakota Peace Coalition
. North Suburban Peace Initiative (Evanston, IL)
. Northwest Disarmament Coalition (Seattle, WA)
. Nuclear Age Peace Foundation (Santa Barbara, CA)
. Nuclear-Free Future Award (Munich, Germany)
. Nuclear Peace Action Group (Mendocino, CA)
. Nuclear Watch of New Mexico
. Nukewatch
. Oak Ridge Environmental Peace Alliance (TN)
. Office of Justice, Peace & Integrity of Creation (Mankato Province School Sisters of Notre Dame)
. Office of Justice-Peace-Integrity of Creation (Catholic Diocese of Knoxville, TN)
. Ohio Center for Critical Thinking Instruction
. OMNI Center for Peace, Justice & Ecology (Fayetteville, AR)
. Oregon Conservancy Foundation
. Oregon Peace Works
. Oxford Citizens for Peace & Justice (Oxford, OH)
. Pacific Green Party (Oregon State University)
. Paralyzed Veterans of America
. Patriots for Peace (Ft Walton Beach, FL)
. Pax Christi (New Orleans, LA)
. Pax Christi (St. Louis University)
. Pax Christi USA
. Peace & Justice Center (Burlington, VT)
. Peace & Justice Task Force, Rocky Mountain Conference, United Church of Christ
. Peace & National Priorities Center (MI)
. Peace & Social Justice Center of South Central Kansas (Wichita)
. Peace Action (San Mateo, CA)
. Peace Action Maine
. Peace Action New Mexico
. Peace Action (Washington DC)
. Peace Action Wisconsin
. Peace Farm (Panhandle, TX)
. Peace Foundation Aotearoa/New Zealand
. Peace Moves Coalition (Cornwall, England)
. Peninsula Peace & Justice Center (Palo Alto, CA)
. Performers and Artists for Nuclear Disarmament (Cleveland, OH)
. Pikes Peak Justice and Peace Commission (Colorado Springs, CO)
. Portland Greens, (OR)
. Portsmouth/Piketon Residents for Environmental Safety & Security OH)
. Prairie Island Coalition (Minneapolis, MN)
. Progressive Secretary
. Promoting Enduring Peace (Woodmont, CT)
. Proposition One Committee (Washington DC)
. Reality News Network (West Palm Beach, FL)
. Redwood Peace Coalition (Arcata, CA)
. Resource Center for Peace & Justice (Cape Cod, MA)
. Rocky Mountain Peace & Justice Center (Boulder, CO)
. Sacred Earth & Space Plowshares
. San Francisco Bay Area Progressive Challenge (CA)
. San Jose Peace Center (CA)
. Sarasota County Green Party (FL)
. Save the World (Nepal)
. Scientists for Indigenous People
. Seedcorn (Potsdam, N.Y.)
. Sisters of Charity of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Dubuque, IA)
. Sisters of Loretto Disarmament/Economic Conversion Committee
. Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet (St. Louis Province)
. Social Action Committee of the Allen Avenue Unitarian Universalist Church (Portland, Maine)
. South Dakota Peace and Justice Center
. SS. Francis & Therese Catholic Worker (Worcester, MA)
. St. Louis Economic Conversion Project (MO)
. Students Taking Action for a New Democracy (University of Akron, OH)
. Swedish Peace Committee
. The Peace Center (Langhorne, PA)
. The Who's Counting Project (CA)
. Theosophical Order of Service Peace Department (Tucson, AZ)
. Third Millennium Foundation (Auburn, WA)
. Tompkins County Network for Peace & Justice (N.Y.)
. Tri-Valley CAREs (Livermore, CA)
. 20/20 Vision of Washington State
. U.S. Peace Council
. Unitarian Society Social Responsibility Committee (Hartford, CT)
. Veterans for Peace (Albuquerque, N.M.)
. Veterans for Peace (Gainesville, FL)
. Veterans for Peace, Inc.
. Veterans for Peace (Ipswich, MA)
. Veterans For Peace (Lake Superior Region, MN)
. Veterans for Peace (Minneapolis, MN)
. Volunteers for Peace (Belmont, VT)
. WAND (New York City)
. WAND of Northern Indiana
. Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility (Seattle)
. West Midlands Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (Birmingham, U.K.)
. Wide World Peace Puppetry (Albuquerque, NM)
. WILPF (Seattle, WA)
. WILPF (U.S. Section)
. Wisconsin Mfd Homeowners Association, Inc.
. Women for Peace (Berkeley, CA)
. Women Speak Out for Peace & Justice (Cleveland, OH)
. World Peace Now (Tampa, FL)
. Yorkshire CND (England)
. Youth Group of the Osaka Peace & Justice Committee (Japan)

http://www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/articles/kucinichsupport.htm

I really like Kucinich, but the media hung him out already- how can we overcome the media ?

It was the people who got and kept him Ohio. I think we can do the same for our country. This is one we can't let the corporations win!

Rep Dennis Kucinich of Ohio - keynote address at the 2000 international meeting of the Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space.

"We know that moving forward with a national missile defense system will set the stage for the advancement and proliferation of nuclear weapons in space, " he declared. "And we know that once we continue down this road, we're going to be locked into funding an industry that makes missiles, and anti-missiles, and creates policies to promote the use of missiles, and more spending on missiles...

"There's only a restless, ceaseless arms race which rides the newest technological wave, to continue to drain our national resources, to continue to create fear in America, to continue to create fear abroad, to continue to make the world less safe, and to continue to drive our national consciousness downward...

"Lockheed Martin. TRW. Boeing. They now have a contract to build the space-based laser weapons that will be the follow-on technology to ballistic missile defense. This weapons system will enable the U.S. to have offensive capability in space...

"It seems that Orwell's vision of 1984 just follows the curve of time, and now it's taken us into 2020 where the vision of the United States Space Command is for war in space....

"We are creating the seeds of the destruction of people all over the world, and it inevitably will come back to this country as well... But if we love our country, then if we see our country taking a path that is dangerous, that we must help our country by challenging our country to do the right thing and not the wrong thing...

"We have to address this as a moral issue as well. Because it is a moral issue. We're a country that should be about turning swords into plowshares.... Not in fashioning new, technologically superior swords of Damocles over the populations of the world. We cannot survive as a nation with that approach."

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Militarization_Space/Weapons_Space.html

Dennis' work on this issue is actually one of the things I am most impressed by in his record. His willingness to challenge the Vision2020 agenda of Full Spectrum Dominance shows incredible bravery, determination and responsibility. The plan to completely dominate the planet through the use of space-based weaponry is not only very real, it's at the top of the Pentagon's agenda and it signals a drastic and frightful change for all life on this planet. It's a scenario anyone with a brain and a conscience would wish to avert. Dennis Kucinich has laid the groundwork for averting this nightmare. He fully deserves everyone's support.

Revealed: US Plan to Own Space

Space Weapons and World Empire

Responding to the notion of putting weapons in space, Senator Tom Daschle (Democrat) of South Dakota was memorably direct. He called it "the single dumbest thing I have heard so far from this administration... It would be a disaster for us to put weapons in space of any kind under any circumstances. It only invites other countries to do the same thing."<1>

Three years earlier, Lt. Col. Bruce M. Deblois of the United States Air Force had come to the same conclusion. Rumsfeld's Commission reported that China was developing methods and strategies for defeating the US military in a high-tech and space-based future war, viewing this as a sign of vulnerability justifying US plans to enhance their military and weapon capabilities in space. Deblois challenges the prevailing assumption underlying US Space Command's mission, i.e. that "space will be weaponised; we only need to decide if the US will take the lead". Despite accepting that the advantages of being the first nation to put weapons into space were "undeniable", Deblois contends that the weaponisation of space is not inevitable and that crossing this threshold would not be the best long term strategy for US national security.<2> Arguing that weaponising space would be profoundly destabilising, invigorate a high tech arms race and potentially a new emphasis on mutual assured destruction (MAD) doctrines, and that the US would have the most to lose from such developments, Deblois advocates the pursuit of a policy he calls 'space sanctuary'. Deblois utilises some of the same arguments as US Space Command regarding American dependence on space for intelligence, communication, surveillance, navigation, commercial interests and commercial and military data acquisition, but comes to a very different conclusion.

Where Rumsfeld's Commission argued that the attendant vulnerabilities must be met with aggressive development of military space capabilities, Deblois describes three approaches for defending space assets: I. diplomatic/political defences (agreements aimed at building collective security); II. passive defences (hide and seek), and III. active defences (essentially Rumsfeld's option of deploying ground ASAT and space-based weapons). Deblois recommends combining options I. and II. and the "active, aggressive avoidance of the third."<3> Deblois contends that seeking to control Earth from a space-based battle platform would conflict with wider American ideals and objectives, but he focusses most on the military reasons for not weaponising space. In particular, he argues that space weaponisation strategies lack the element of survivability and would be militarily and politically self-defeating; they are expensive, provocative and escalatory; and they maintain a bogus centre of gravity (COG) of vulnerability, for which other strategies might provide better defence and protection. Finally, any initial advantage from being the first to put weapons in space would soon be neutralised as other major powers seek to develop space weapons of their own, while lesser powers could offset them with asymmetric responses.<4> It must be recalled that the United States seriously underestimated the speed with which its advantage as the sole nuclear power in 1945 would erode. The heart-stopping near miss of the Cuban Missile Crisis occurred less than 20 years later.

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With the advent of US plans for ballistic missile defences, that sanguine view has now been revised even by America's allies. In successive years the UN General Assembly resolution on PAROS has garnered increased interest and votes. In December 2000, UNGA resolution 55/32 was introduced by Sri Lanka and co-sponsored by a number of non-aligned countries plus Russia and China. It reaffirmed the importance of the Outer Space Treaty, emphasised the need for consolidation and reinforcement, including verification, of measures to prevent an arms race in outer space, and called on countries with major space capabilities to refrain from acts contrary to maintaining a peaceful outer space. The resolution received 163 votes in favour and none against. The United States, Israel and Micronesia abstained.

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http://www.inesap.org/bulletin18/bul18art24.htm

International Network of Engineers and Scientists Against Proliferation

Ever hear of MK-ULTRA? The CIA effort in the 1950's to create mind control drugs. How about LSD also known as lycergic acid dialthlymide? Did you know that it was CREATED by the CIA as part of MK-ULTRA? Maybe you should look a little closer at some of the things our government has done before you call people kooks for wanting to prevent more of these atrocities.

Get behind him! Throw the party support behind him! Flood the papers/blogs with editorials supporting Kucinich...the man of PRINCIPLE! NO COMPROMISES! NO BUSH LITE! Unite the LEFT!! GO KUCINICH!!!!

Kucinich wouldn't be your candidate by any chance would he ;)

I like your moniker too! Peace

after one of the most repressive regimes in U.S. history, Kucinich is a breath of fresh air. I want more than business as usual this time around!!

Welcome to DU hippywife! :toast: Make sure you check the Politics & Campaigns Forum. Lots of good discussions going on down there also. D

Is all that excitement natural or did you just watch the video and get pumped up? If you're in CA, please PM me!

Peace

I haven't watched the Kucinich video yet. Started when I read Studs Terkel's article last spring. Has only blossomed every day since then. I was entertaining other candidates until the vote on the war but you have to admire Dennis' grit and integrity.

Dennis is truly the Anti-Bush!

I'm in OK (originally from OH), not CA. Thanx for the welcome! :)

catchy - I like that

for me, we have to totally embrace the American people ... no rhetoric with a corporate hand or 2 in one's pocket -- no, oh, I'm for the people but I gotta look out after the insurance companies or the banks ...... the time is now to reclaim this country OF ... BY ... and FOR ... the People ... for me, if we don't do it now, it may well be gone forever ...

I hope you love this board as we all do.

:hi:

I finally watched the video (on my slow dial-up connection) and now I am totally blown away!! He's real, he's warm, he's passionate! He speaks definitively, and forcefully. After all the cynicism and distrust of government, regardless of which party has held sway, here is a man who is not only so diametrically opposed to what we have in office now, but also a real change from the usual politicians that would seek to be our leader.

Most importantly, he's not telling me what he thinks I want to hear just to get elected...he's sharing with me his dream for what we can be as a people. You can really tell the difference between him and the business as usual crowd. He really believes and longs for the vision he is describing. And so do I!! As I watched, I felt the tears building and then, when it was over, I sat here crying.

We, as a people, have the chance to tell all who would aspire to lead this nation what we really want. We have a chance to break the back of the patriarchal political system that would spawn a Bush II, while telling corporate America and the political interests that they can't buy our elections any longer. That we want an America better than it has ever been, not just better than the place Bush has taken us. A Kucinich win would send this message from the people of America and not the political machine.

It will be with great hope and pride (for a change) as I vote for the first time for a candidate I can truly believe in (instead of holding my nose and choosing the lesser of two evils), as I vote for Dennis Kucinich!!

The time IS now. If we let this opportunity go instead of grasping it with both hands, we never may know how great a nation we can truly be.

Sieze this moment!!! Send this message!! Vote Kucinich!!
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When I come back from my beach vacation later this month, I am gonna call and volunteer. We need Kucinich, remember Truman's words people,"If the voters have a choice between a democrat who acts like a republican and a republican, they will vote republican. I also want populism not centrism.

i'm so excited! i just can't hide it....i'm about to loose control and vote for kucinich....AND I THINK I LIKE IT!!!!

Support Our Troops Elect Kucinich NEW Commander in Chief!

Tiniore thank you for the link ;)

I haven't had time to check it out but that's where I got the link to the video and I think the wite-meister did an impressive job!

http://soli.inav.net/~njohnson/kucinich/

Peace

PS. I know, I can't hide it either. I've been telling everyone about him- at work, in the street, at traffic intersections rolling down my window to pass out literature...

Peace again!

Dennis' speeches are like one on one's...he means everything he says...if he doesn't believe it- he won't say it!

I'm with ya 1000% Tinoire...

IMO Dennis Kucinich is a wonderful candidate & human being....I feel he is a gift to all...some see it some don't ...
:shrug:

Go Dennis!!!!
Go DK supporters!!!!!!

Peace
DR

Last night I picked up some flyers from a 65 year old woman who had driven 2 hours to Corte Madera to pick them up for people! She told me she'd never been this excited about a candidate in her life. She was the first person who used the term "political Messiah".

And you should see this woman and the energy of the DK supporters here! It's amazing. As if a revolution is kicking off!

Peace my friend!

Remember Dennis has the qualities of the most heroic and lovable democrats in history, he has Robert F Kennedy's love of peace and above all he shares the late Paul Wellstone's all around progressivism. Let him run, tell the country what we've been feeling for the longest time, and he will win. With Dean and the others we only get some change but with Dennis we get complete change.

I have faith. Faith that people here will remain open and make the best choice they can. I don't begrudge anyone who they support as long as they've really examined the issues and decided that their candidate is the best. I personally think DK is and that's half the pleasure of the "one man, one vote" system!

Peace

So, how can I say what I honestly think?

Kucinich should continue to work where he can be most effective and maintain influence. Right where he is. There are a lot of problems with his campaign and it was painful to witness Tweety rip him to shreds. Although I am a progressive, I realize the rest of the country is not in tune and we do not live in a socialist paradise. At the core, I am practical, and a vote for Kucinich spreads the count on the Left and strengthens the odds of the DLC candidates--and lessening their chances is more important to me in the primaries than a vote of unrealistic idealism.

But I have to say, I do wonder about so-called Leftists who would consider the DLC's man of the hour, Kerry, as their back-up choice--to the point of attempting to covertly allow no criticism of his candidacy.

Not if you're as courteous and objective as you would like everyone else to be in discussions about the person you support. This is a discussion forum after all :)

I understand your concern about diluting the vote... I have the same one even if I support a different candidate than you do. What I'd really like to see is DU avoid flamewars & empty, negative posts re candidates so we can look at them together, pass them under the microscope and learn from each other. Only that way will we really be sure that we're supporting the best candidate- individually and as a group.

Also, was your last sentence directed at me because I had that thread about Kerry? Kerry is not my back-up choice. I don't have one yet. I am still looking at all the candidates trying to motivate myself to support them in case DK doesn't get it. I just hate flame wars. After 2 years in F/A, you get tired of seeing what should be constructive discussions get derailed.

You know what I mean.
You know what its odd people are saying Kucinich is unelectable. Remember this quote by Harry Truman, "If people have a choice between a democrat who acts republican and a republican they will vote republican." A real choice: Kucinich in 2004. I think the old party heroes of past would be going for Kucinich.

The Time is Now! 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world ... and be that shining city on the hill ...

One person can make a difference ...

at the end of the video, I found my arm waving to and fro above my head ... and, I'm just one bird on a wire sitting here at my PC ...

The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks;
The long day wanes, the low moon climbs; the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends,
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

-Alfred, Lord Tennyson, Ulysses


"The nobility of our calling will always be rooted in two commitments difficult to observe: refusal to lie about what we know, and resistance to oppression." - Albert Camus

this IS the moment!

thanks for posting this Tinoire

Harry S. RF K ucinich

It had the same effect on me. I am just hoping for one non-DK supporter to tell me it affected them too :)

Nice Camus quote. He's a literery hero of mine.

Mother died today. Or was it yesterday...?

There are basic, primitive rules to democratic politics. Among these are the iron laws of physical appearance. Bill Clinton cut a large swath thru the electorate because he was big, handsome and charismatic. No one can deny the fact that Kucinich is tiny and boyish looking. on the most primitive--and therefore most common level--Kucinich fails the test of leadership. This is regretable, but incontrovertible.

Look what Jon Steward did with his "Where are the Weapons of Mass Distruction" comment.

I do like some of what he says, but I have the feeling that if Kucinich were the standard bearer, then the soin would be worse than the "Gore is stiff" crap we saw in 2000.

Just the way I feel Kucinich supporters, sorry.

You're entitled to your feelings and thank you for being honest about that. Read my post to Scott Tissue (right before this one). I hope people have learned to look past packaging.

Peace

and I agree that people have to look past the packaging, however, I don't think that will be happening in '04 or anytime soon.

;)

The only way to make his physical appearance presidential is to bribe the media with a few hundred million dollars. And guess who gets the 200 million dollar bribe? Rupert Murdoch.

but I hope we're past that and can evolve to the point of the Hindu's who accepted Ghandi as he looked. I think we all know by now that the world can get past and get used to anyone's looks.

Thanks

Did you watch the video? If so, what is your reaction- especially, what do you think the reaction of the average voter would be to that?

I agree that the looks (big, handsome and charismatic) are regrettably important but I don't think that they're a requisite- especially not today when so many Americans can barely feed their families.

Leadership is about a lot more than being tall. Some of the best military leaders I had/saw in the Army were short men. Napoleon was a short man. Jimmy Carter was not a big, handsome man. George Bush is neither charmismatic nor handsome and his father was even less so.

In all honesty, Clinton wasn't handsome either but he was extremely charismatic! Aside from Clark, and then maybe Kerry, I think all our candidates look dorky. :shrug: Also, do you not think that the people who had negative thoughts about Gore's appearance haven't had a good three years to re-think that stupidity?

Kucinich has a charisma and I hope you get to see/experience it one day.

Also, what is your definition of leadership and why would you say Kucinich has failed? I think a three term Congressman who has twise beaten Republican incumbents and managed to get from Greens to Moderates to vote for him can not be said to have failed.

Thanks

On edit: Just saw a few photos of Howard Dean and he doesn't look like a dork. But his campaign should try to avoid the side shots that show his chin as too tight because it makes him look stiff that way. But no, he is not dorky looking and the stills I just saw looked good.

My mind is completely open at this point, but I just don't think little Dennis has the stuff to start a flame for anyone other than a very, very, very small set.

You can burn down an entire forest, Bushes and all, with a small flame! ;)

I really believe in the power of the people! We just have to learn to take our power back and make it happen!

Peace

Folks said Gore looked like Christopher Reeves before the accident.

Joe Lyons said that Clinton looked like the Alpha Male. He said Clinton would have been a babe magnet if he was the Maytag man.

All the women I know thought Clinton was hot.

but there is a difference between being hot and being hand-some.

Forgive me for being someone who looks at men from top to bottom with a very critical eye from years of studying classical Greek art.

Clinton was HOT! SIZZLING! LOVEABLE and ROLL-IN-THE-BED-WITH EXCITABLE but I personally would never call him a hand-some man.

I reserve handsome for men like Keanu Reeves. I'll give it to General Clark. That's just my personal opinion though :shrug: and I know I'm a tough critic.

or you can strive to shatter them. I think Dennis would bring a Revolution with him!

When he opens his mouth, he stands tall. We have had persons of a small stature lead this country before. I hate hearing people say this about DK, as if we elect on looks alone. I know it helps, but then, so does being the greatest speechwriter and orator in the land! Please, no negative remarks on his looks. I believe that this diminishes us. Pretty boys don't make great husbands, either.

did he get where he is today? He sure hasn't let his
'shortness' keep him from going after what he believes in..and it sure hasn't kept people from supporting him either.
KC

Kucinich excites me more than any presidential candidate since the 1972 election. His stand on the issues comes as close to mine as any mainstream presidential candidate in my lifetime (50 years).

Can he win? Right now it doesn't look like it but things can change fast. Bush no longer has the momentum that he once has. His policies could make things get bad so quickly that many people would wake up. Under Bush, there are hard times ahead for the upper-middle class on down to the underclass. If this happens quickly enough, Kucinich would have a chance.

I don't believe that people will wake up until after the 2004 election. Hope I'm wrong. 4 more years of this misadministration will do longterm damage to America.

And my excitement grows as I watch DK supporters grow in numbers everyday.

I hope we're both wrong about that last sentence because I am convinced that we are presently standing at the edge of a world catastrophe.

With all our past karma and now all of the hatred George Bush has unleashed against America, it will take a great man to turn that around. It will take a man who understands that the rest of the world will NOT tolerate us bullying them around for 'Free trade' that isn't gree at all; that the rest of the world is seething at the aggressive manner in which we've foisted our corporations on them - Monsanto's genetically modified foods that are killing their agriculture as a prime example; water privatization; exploitation, wars... and all of this did NOT start under Bush.

Peace

I lived near Cleveland when Kucinich was mayor. I remember the man as being a complete kook. I don't remember specifics, it was quite a while ago, but I distinctly remember on many occasions thinking 'This guys a kook'. I can't take him seriously. To me he's another Sharpton.

That being said , if he gets the nomination I will support him.

I know a lot of people took him for a kook (such as in the example below but history proved him right) and I know some people still will. Thank you for your honesty. Btw, did you watch the video?

Peace

Kucinich first came to national prominence in 1977 when he was elected mayor of Cleveland at age 31; the youngest person ever elected to lead a major American city. In 1978, Cleveland's banks demanded that he sell the city's 70 year-old municipally-owned electric system to its private competitor (in which the banks had a financial interest) as a precondition of extending credit to city government. Kucinich refused to sell Muny Light. In an incident unprecedented in modern American politics, the Cleveland banks plunged the city into default for a mere $15 million. Kucinich lost his re-election bid in 1979. Fifteen years later, Kucinich made his first step toward a political comeback, winning election to the Ohio Senate on the strength of the expansion of the city's light system which provides low-cost power to almost half the residents of Cleveland. In 1998 the Cleveland City Council honored him for, "having the courage and foresight to refuse to sell the city's municipal electric system."
(For more on battle over Cleveland power)

http://kucinich.us/aboutdennis.htm
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Kucinich given thanks for keeping Muny Light
By DAVID PLATA
Staff Writer
December 17, 1998

CLEVELAND -- It was a time for memories and vindication, if not nostalgia, recalling the day 20 years ago that then-Mayor Dennis Kucinich refused to sell Muny Light, sending the city into default.

Kucinich, now the U.S. representative for the 10th District, consisting of the West Side of Cleveland and parts of the western suburbs, was honored Monday with a City Council resolution, thanking him for not selling the Cleveland Public Power plant. The plant, still expanding throughout the city, has since saved Clevelanders more than $300 million in payments, officials said.

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On Dec. 15, 1978, with the city's bond rating in shambles, Kucinich refused demands to sell the light plant to help pay the city's debts. The Cleveland Trust Co. and five other banks refused to roll over $15 million in notes, and Cleveland became the first major American city since the Depression to slide into default.

Kucinich would lose his re-election bid the following year, and it would be 15 years before he again won elected office.

<snip>

http://www.sunnews.com/news/1998/1217/acmunylight.htm

I love Dennis Kucinich and absolutely wish him and his supporters the best. Whereas I don't believe he will win the nominiation in this election- although I'd like to be wrong- I do believe the national exposure from this campaign will benefit him enormously in the future.
Even if the presidential bid doesn't work out this year, I think Dennis is capable of greater things in the future and I will happily support him in those endeavours. Senator Kucinich has a nice ring to it, don't you think? I personally believe Dennis Kucinich may be one of the true heirs of the Paul Wellstone legacy. :-)

That was a really supportive comment :)

I'd be really interested in thinking what you think about his charisma and the appeal shown in that video.

Peace

Dennis Kucinich has wonderful charisma and a positive message. My problem is with the corrupt and biased US media that is charged with relaying that message. Unfortunately I don't believe the Dennis Kucinich that you and I see will be the Dennis Kucinich most Americans will see. To be honest with you, I think he is too easy of a target. Again, I hope I'm wrong. Good luck.

since you've been posting at DU, that I'll hope you're wrong too!

Peace

that cannot be overcome by his obvious intelligence, knowledge, experience, well-spokenness, etc.

This is America, where unfortunately the visual, the telegenic, is a HUGE plus.

That said, I Kucinich strikes me as sharp and with-it and I think he'd make a great cabinet member for a Dem prez.

And really, what's up with that horrible dye job?

You have a valid point for America. We are a country of packaging and marketers.

I met DK in person, sat right next to him for 1 hours at one meeting and didn't notice a bad dye job at all.

But, I will admit that at the breakfast earlier, the stranger sitting next to me leaned over and said "We're really going to have to get Barbra Streisand's hair-dresser on him". I agreed.

Thanks for that because that's just a fact and it's something DK and his staff should work on a little.

Peace

even if he doesn't win. I wish we'd have a guy like this in Germany or other european countries.
We - esp. Germany and England - have suffered decades of a conservative backlash. Kohl and Thatcher etc. And during this time, the former liberal and left and green parties became more and more conservative. They became Thatcher-Lites. And now we have Labour in England again, in Germany we even have a social-democratic/green coalition leading us for the second time. But everything is worse than ever before. Except for the anti-globalisation movement, which has turned away from all parties for good reasons (if you ask me), the whole political scene is completely dried out. There are no more discussions, they're are no more issues. Just lobbyism. Kucinich in a way reminds me of Willy Brand. He reminds me of those times, when liberals and democrats and socialists didn't were just defensive, like: cutting social security is o.k., just don't be so brutal; cutting health care is o.k., just don't be sooooo cruel, cutting civil rights, o.k., but just leave a little bit, etc. ppp. When they had a message and a vision. It just makes me feeling nostalgic thinking of Willy Brand, who was winning the election with his slogan "Dare more democracy". Even if Kucinich doesn't win, or doesn't win in 2004. Simply to keep this issues alive, to not give up and empty and ruin what democracy could be is worth the fight. And to those, who defend the all-so-moderate-positions, in order to not shy away the moderate voters: please study the history of the Greens and Socialists in Europe - it's a good test environment - and think about it again.
I'm jealous. If he's losing, any chance that he's looking for a job in Germany? Or if he wins, do you think there's a job for me in the Land of the Free (again)?
Greetings from Germany,
Dirk

Do you know what it does to this American to hear that you a German are jealous of us for having Kucinich?!

You summed up my feelings about the Democratic Party perfectly in this phrase cutting social security is o.k., just don't be so brutal; cutting health care is o.k., just don't be sooooo cruel, cutting civil rights, o.k., but just leave a little bit, etc.

And having lived in Germany before it took it's last big right turn, I would love nothing more than to see America become more like Germany was (and hope will be again soon!)

And no, even if he loses we will NOT send him over to you. We are in too desperate a situation over here to lose a single progressive asset!

And if he wins, Dirk, you are definitely invited for a job in the "Land of the Free". Job or no job, you come visit me in California anytime! Ich lebe ein uhr von Santa Cruz.


Tschuss!

But danke for appreciating Mr. Kucinich, Dirk. It seems like we have the same problems here as we do in Europe, that is traditional left parties have moved right, and may I add I hate Margaret Thatcher like I do Ronald Reagan.
The international nightmare
Reagan/Thatcher
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

which might be one of the most liberal german metropolis.
We had the social democrats (later in coalition with the greens) governing Hamburg since the end of WWII. More and more the social democrats in fear of loosing the next election were concentrating on law and order and anti-immigration issues: the issues of the right.
What happened: after more than fourty years, a far right-wing idiot is founding his own party, gets 20% of the voters, starts a coaltion with the conservatives and takes over our beautifull city.
And there's no opposition, 'cause the former left parties had just the same issues than the right-wingers before.
If the left and liberal parties promote traditional right-wing issues, the right wingers are just thankfull for the promotion: the issues are o.k., but we do a better job.
What impressed me the most about Kucinich is that he is offensive, he has his own issues. And even if he doesn't win, just imagine to lose with a guy who has nothing in mind than to appeal to the average Bush-voter.
Maybe there's one for thing I've learned about the USA. We use to take the USA as an example of a society that nearly has just a one party system left, but what seems to be really different esp. from Germany is, that there is a discussion, a real discussion about different candidates going on before an election, with much participation from people outside and inside the parties. In Germany, although we have more parties, it's like: they pretty fast decide for one candidate and the discussion just takes place among the hightest ranks of those parties and as soon as they have a candidate it's like: no more discussion wanted, it just helps our opponents...
Tinoire, the next time I visit the USA, be prepared to see me!
Greetings from Hamburg,
Dirk
P.S. Tinoire, it looks better for the girl from Ghana now. What they tried to do is just so foolish and inhuman and idiotic that even moderate people and the church started to defend her.

I knew the German people wouldn't let something like this happen! Ich liebe die Deutschen! And please do take that invitation seriously! I would be thrilled as would other SF Bay DUers :)

:hi: and thanks!

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I think everyone should give it a try, I was sure to link to it on MN too!


Also Tinoire, thank you so much for what your doing for Dennis and our future.

Also thank you for taking the time to reply to everyone... just a great, caring, touch!

I'm glad you linked it. When I first saw that I got all pumped up and wanted to share it with everyone, regardless of which candidate they're supporting.

One of this week's e-mails from the Kucinich campaign mentioned the MN web-site and I was so thrilled for you! Congratulations!

It's fun talking to everyone :)

Peace

I'm for a lot of the things Kucinich is for, but he's not my candidate. It seems to me that some of his positions may come across as too far out to the general public - not because they're stupid, but because most people are so tired from working and getting through life they may not have the time and energy to put into researching what a candidate really means, and what that position really means to Mainstream USA. I don't think he's done a good job of that yet, and so far, the few statements that have gotten into the media really do sound ... far out. I think he needs to do a better job of saying what he means where ever he is, so the public just doesn't hear "transvestites on the Supreme Court" and "mind-control space weapons" and get distracted by it. I know the media doesn't always play fair, but his campaign knows that as well, and needs to get him "on message." I know the context of the two things I used as examples, but I'm interested in politics and have the time to pursue the context behind something that does sound initially dubious.

As for his personal appearance, I really don't think that would matter as long as his message is clearly heard. Then again, I could be willfully naive about that.

He's not my candidate because of some stands he's taken that I disagree with, but I won't go into that here. If his is the name on the ballot in 2004, though, I will be voting for him. At this point, I think it is more important that the next president not be Bush than just about anything else.

about people not having the luxury of time to do the right research. This is one thing that scares me a little about this election. People's passions are inflamed because our anger has been building up since the Right Wing went after Clinton for a ridiculous blow-job and yet we don't have time to do the proper research to really see what each candidate is proposing and compare them to see which one would best serve the people's interest.

Then you have the packaging and the marketing which I hope won't matter as much in this information age.

Both Dean and Kucinich are running strong internet campaigns and I'm hoping that for once, we can turn the tables on the corporations as long as it's still one man one vote and we have alternate means of getting our message out.

Peace and thanks for your candor.

Thanks for posting this Tinoire. I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet but I'm looking forward to it. Every time I've seen video of Dennis speaking I've been profoundly moved. It's somewhat difficult for me to talk about what I see in him because it's so good and great that I have a tendency to gush. He certainly inspires hope in me like NO politician EVER has, in my lifetime. And while I think it will take nothing short of a miracle for him to gain the presidency, I do not think that miracle is impossible.

On the more superficial and yet important issue of image, I agree with others that he could use a good stylist and a good photographer. I would like to see some better pics of him used on his website. I've seen some, so I know it's doable.

I really think his vision and message could resonate with a MAJORITY of voters if they were to be exposed to it. I'm really glad Willie is on the case. We've got our work cut out for us... and nothing could be more worth the effort.

Peace

I share your feelings about never having been inspired like this before. Kucinich is living proof that there are politicians who are uncorrupted by corporations and care more for the people.

I think the miracle that will get him to the White House is us, our passion, and our faith not only in him, but in the determination of the American people to stop being used and exploited.

On the superficial issues, I agree. It's a damn shame isn't it that packaging and marketing are so important in our society?

Peace and enjoy the video :)

Tinoire. My first choice is Al Gore. Since he is not running, I have been floundering between Dean and Kerry. I've always thought Kucinich was the one I really wanted, but felt he didn't have a chance. But with people like you on board working so hard for him makes me stop and think. Hey, maybe there is a chance -- a good chance. Thanks.

I think he'd be one hell of a threat if everyone who believed in him joined up and worked to get him elected... Too many people are not voting their conciouse!!


Paul tought me better!

With people like YOU behind him, Kucinich will be in great shape.

Slow and steady wins the race... I've been really encouraged reading the web blogs and seeing how many people are saying that they will no longer listen to the nay-sayers thus making all that doom and gloom about DK being unelectable a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I hope more people will, like you, take the time to look at the records, the facts, and weigh those for each candidate. If more people do that and stop listening to the machinery, we can win!

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Dennis J. Kucinich's public service comeback continues to defy the odds, most recently by his overwhelming re-election to Cleveland's Congressional District seat. Kucinich won with 67 percent of the vote, an increase of eighteen percentage points from his 1996 showing and the third highest percentage increase of any re-elected incumbent Member of Congress. Kucinich's margin increase was even more impressive given the fact that he chose to campaign by spending nothing for television or radio commercials, polling, or newspaper advertisements, relying instead on grassroots campaigning with thousands of yard signs, a legion of loyal volunteers going door-to-door, and countless public appearances.
http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/i-expression/radio-denniskucinich.html

When you get right down to it, the reason many of us think he can't win is because he's too good of a person. After 3 years of suffering an extremely EVIL man like Bush, America's only healing can come by having an extremely GOOD man replace him. This is why I'm willing to work my fingers to the bone for him. I think, is the only person who has the vision and workable plan to restore world opinion of the US is Dennis Kucinich.

Peace and so good to see you!

Kucinich? I'm going back to sleep.

Hope you and the rest of America wake up before it's too late.

We will soon be at the point of no return. The time is major now.

Hope you wake up soon.

still down at the bottom in all the polls I've seen. Not that it matters right nowbut can't see him getting traction now.

Give us the time and we will bring this victory in. The foundation of his campaign is solid which I think is very important because people are going to be examining the issues a lot more closely than we ever have.

Slowly but surely... Peace

but I don't know how he gets himself the coverage the other candidates get.
I see Dean is on the cover of Time and Newsweek. I wonder if the media has _room_ for another liberal (yeh, I know Dean isn't but he has the label right now.

I don't mind any one candidate beating another but I do mind when candidates allow themselves to be portrayed as something they aren't just to get the votes.

And I know PLENTY about SIZZLE.

;))))))))))))))))))))))

turn me on

If DK were a single man in my neighbourhood. Well, let's put it this way- he'd be getting a lot of dinner invitations!

Sizzling is what's in the mind. The mind is what makes a person sizzling and no one can honestly say Kucinich doesn't have that!

Give me a Harry Winston necklace in a paper-bag any day- no longer falling for that tired CZ in the elaborate box trick!!

Give him credit for being a fighter
http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20030803gene0803fnp1.asp

Ohio candidate has the bite of success to back up his bark
Sunday, August 03, 2003

<snip>

"Where are the weapons of mass destruction?" he asked in full bellow. "I'll tell you where they are! They're in our own inner cities. Poverty is a weapon of mass destruction! Homelessness is a weap-on of mass destruction! Racism is a weapon of mass destruction! And lying to the American people is a weapon of mass destruction!"

Even before it was exposed as a deceit, Kucinich opposed the war in Iraq. "Our sons and daughters are being used for target practice!" he yelled, "because of lies, greed and the desire for empire!"

Even before the Patriot Act was deployed with full Orwellian momentum, Kucinich opposed it. He was the only presidential candidate to vote no that day.

<snip>

The thing that ought to be remembered about Dennis Kucinich in this campaign is probably this: He beats people. The guy can get votes. To become mayor of Cleveland, state senator, and now congressman, Kucinich beat a Republican incumbent each time. Democrats might eventually be served to regard this candidacy as something other than preposterous.

http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20030803gene0803fnp1.asp

On the issues, I agree with Kucinich more than any other candidate. I am a social liberal, almost libertarian, and I appreciate Kucinich's stand on gay marriage, reproductive rights, and I also appreciate his principled stand against war and specifically the War Against Iraq. It takes a lot of guts and courage to vote against the Iraq War, and Kucinich has proved a lot by his stand, on the record, against it. It's a lot more than can be said about candidates who read speeches from the sidelines.

It's Kucinich's pro-Democracy, pro-union, pro-American middle working class, pro-choice, pro-women, pro-LGBT stance that makes me support him. Some things, like the atricious flag vote, was raw political manuvering. I hate politics, but I try to be pragmatic. I fully understand women's hesitation at Kucinich's pro-life history, and I hope he has proven to our party and America that he 100% supports a woman's right to control her body as she sees fit, and to keep the government out of American's medical and personal life. Kucinich is a politican, and like most Americans, I don't like politicians, but as far as I'm concerned, Kucinich has proven over and over again that he's on my side. I think Dennis Kucinich as President would be one of the highlights of American history. I expect us Kucinich supporters will have to fight long and hard to get him in the White House. The corporate media would prefer almost any other candidate.

Kucinich's message will resonate with Americans like no other candidate's. The Democratic party should follow Kucinich's lead, and we will have easy majorities from now on.

and I'm sick of it!! I'll gladly take some dullness in our lives.

but you already know that from your other post :)

KC

I liked what DK had to say from the getgo. All politics aside, I really liked his message and his passion about what he was saying. I honestly think that he was saying what he really believes in, not what is neccessarily a popular position. I mean, if he were, he wouldn't take such a "Left Wing Radical" position on so many issues. Yet, and you all can quote me on this, that is exactly what this country, and the entire planet need right now. WTF? As a country and as a ideology, it is somehow now acceptable to invade a country and take their resources? There are certainly worse leaders and tyrants that Hussein. I mean, didn't our own government, i.e., the Reagan administration, train and supply both Hussein and Bin Laden? Sheesh, how many people can even recall what the CIA had to do with Mossadegh in Iran? Deja Vu, all over again. So now we have freedom, freedom to consume well beyond what is moral, simply as a sign of percieved status. Right now, 42,000 thousand Americans die every year in violent deaths. Where is the outrage? Well, its only because they were driving cars and EVERYONE drives cars.

So I guess I'm all for a "no hope" and "sure loser" or "wasted vote" or whatever the cool kids are saying against DK. Put all the politics aside and thoughts of winning and losing and whatever, and even the implementation details, and think about what he is saying about our country. Is he right or is he wrong. I believe he is quite right. So this election, I'm voting my conscience. DK all the way.


D Wolfman

gosh darn...it deserves kickin!! Wooohoooo! ;)

:kick:

double post! Dang slow dial-up!