Is Dean the Anti-Gore? - Democratic Underground

devarsi

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:19 PM
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Is Dean the Anti-Gore?

Think about Gore's personality, and what criticisms you may have heard about the man. Now contrast that to Dean...the men are policy peas in a pod, but personality opposites.

Does this help explain Dean's tremendous surge as of late? Are we looking for a better Al Gore, an Anti-Gore?

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robbedvoter

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:24 PM
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1. Gore was actually more liberal. Dean will also get attacked as stiff

But I think (hope) that Dean will have a better rapid response team than Gore did - this might make a big difference.

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Sinistrous

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:37 PM
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5. A rapid response team populated by

(to use my favorite idiom) "junkyard dogs" will be absolutly necessary to counter the inevitable lies of the Rovians. The docility of Gore in 2000 in the face of the canards slung at and about him had a serious negative influence on the election.

Triple track campaign:
1. Good programs / policies clearly expressed.
2. Hammer Bush.
3. Squelch the lies.

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devarsi

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:40 PM
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6. And Dean's Team is all over it!

wish I had the link to recent article titled "The Doctor is In-In Your Face"

Or close to it...

Can anyone supply it?

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devarsi

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Sat Aug-02-03 09:36 PM
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15. Found It - The Doctor is IN!

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/11dean.htm

I love this quote:

Dean's first reaction to the idea of a Texas ad was a somewhat amazed: "What?" But Trippi (Dean's campaign manager) repeated his Zen-like advice to the candidate. "I tell him the only way he can win is to believe in his heart he cannot win," Trippi says. "We've got to act like we have nothing to lose."

Dean has nothing to lose, everything to gain.

Could anyone have said the same about Gore's campaign?

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BuelahWitch

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Sat Aug-02-03 09:30 PM
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13. I agree with you completely!

No more docile Dems! Fight, fight, fight!!!

I've got my claws ready! :evilgrin:

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Rose Siding

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:26 PM
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2. I like both of them

Either would make a great president. Gore has more national govt experience as well as military service. I enjoy the personalities of both men and I just can't relate to that as an issue. We already know that "the guy you'd most want to have a beer with" sucks in the job.

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Cha

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:29 PM
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3. Gore nothing! Gore has moved on with his life and so

should we. I'm looking for someone with the intestinal fortitude to go up against the bush cabal and send 'em back under the rocks they slithered out from.:kick:

This is war right in our own Country. We been taken over and anyone who doesn't see that isn't paying attention.

And as far as Gore's "personality" ...I liked it. But then I didn't listen to what the rite wing was saying about it. I formed my own opinion.

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devarsi

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:35 PM
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4. You just hit it!

I'm looking for someone with the intestinal fortitude to go up against the bush cabal and send 'em back under the rocks they slithered out from

That seemed to be a compaint against Gore while he ran, and when he decided to not challenge Bush in 2004.

A lack of intestinal fortitude.

I don't know if the charge against Gore is true, but can you imagine anyone saying the same about Dr. Dean? ;-)

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Cha

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:50 PM
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9. I don't think the "charge is true"! There are other reasons

for not pursuing that path other than lack of courage. I think it takes more courage to do what he is doing now than the obvious route.

And I do think Dean has the guts to go all the way and beyond. I'm really encouraged that so many other People are thinking the same.

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ScotTissue

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:41 PM
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7. Attacks will be the same

Dean will "reinvent" himself when he has to move for the values of the Left to the conveniencies of the moderate center.

Dean will be called stiff, which is a byword for intelligent.

Dean will be said to have trouble relating ro real Amuricans.

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w13rd0

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Sat Aug-02-03 08:50 PM
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8. Well...

...he's already fairly moderate. And he doesn't seem inclined to change that, just perceptions.

Stiff? As opposed to loosey goosey George? I'll take stiff and intelligent, thank you.

Trouble relating to real Americans, like the 220thou+ Americans for Dean, or the pps on the blogs he's been interacting with, or the ordinary Americans involved in his campaign?

Nah...don't think so...they can try, but everytime they mouthbreathe "bring it on", we will, by the bucketload...

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devarsi

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Sat Aug-02-03 09:05 PM
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11. Another Anti-Gore Point!

(BTW - when I say "Anti-Gore," I don't mean that I am against Gore. I'm a definite fan, used to help out on the Gore04 website for a bit. I do mean that Dean, or the Dean campaign, seems to be doing those things we often wish the Gore campaign would have done)

The Dean campaign is perceived as a bottom-up movement, drawing most of its support from individuals, while the Gore campaign was a top-down unit, with all the weight of the establishment behind him (until the end game, when the establishment deserted Gore--bigtime.

The Insurgent vs the Establishment. Dean is the Anti-Gore.

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Cha

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Sat Aug-02-03 09:33 PM
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14. I'm new to politics since 2000 and when I first read about

"grassroots movement" I was enthralled and I wanted it to happen for the Dems and to be a part of it!

And by Jove I got my wish with Dean!

Thanks for bringing this up!

I bet Joe and Dean learned a lot from the Gore campaign!

And I'll always like Gore! I think he has Great things in his future! :kick: And I like Tipper and the whole family, too! They were up against evil and evil temporarily won out but they are GOIN' DOWN!

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CWebster

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Sat Aug-02-03 09:00 PM
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10. he won't have to "reinvent" himself

because he already is in the center. It is because of his position on the Iraq invasion (magical thinking folly descending into a entrenched disaster), that provokes the "liberal" label that many of his fellow candidates shrunk away from in whoring themselves voting to support *.

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ScotTissue

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Sat Aug-02-03 09:52 PM
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16. Wishing doesn't make it so

Just because Dean's positions are right and common sensical does not make them the center positions, I am afraid.

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MODemocrat

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Sat Aug-02-03 09:12 PM
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12. Dean can hold his own and more

GO DEAN

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Eloriel

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Sat Aug-02-03 11:33 PM
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17. I don't see him moving anywhere

He is what he is. If he does start "moving" somewhere, he'll lose a lot of people. I don't see that happening, in any case.

You call him stiff, I think he's authoritative, as MDs often are.

He's having no trouble relating to real Americans right now, across the political spectrum, to some others candidates' and their supporters' great dismay:

BRAND New Democrats for Dean
http://brandnewdemocrats.blogspot.com

Independents for Dean
http://deanindependents.org/

Republicans for Dean
http://republicansfordean.blogspot.com/

Eloriel

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NastyRiffraff

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Sun Aug-03-03 12:00 AM
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18. Something wrong with this picture?

Perceptions....

Dean is too liberal.
Dean is really conservative

Dean is "stiff" (as in, he doesn't hug and kiss female reporters)
Dean is too quick to show his anger

Dean is "Republican Lite" (because of his fiscal conservatism)
Dean is far left (because he's "anti-war" when he's actually anti the now-failed war in Iraq)

We all know what the media did to Gore; most of which was incredibly false, and stupid. What I like about Dean's campaign is that he's actually answering those charges, very early.

God, I want to see a Dean-Bush debate!!!! When, of course, Dean wins the Dem nomination.

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maggrwaggr

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Sun Aug-03-03 12:54 AM
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19. well if he's the Anti-Gore then he's just about perfect

Gore was a mealy-mouthed pussy in my opinion.

Picture a guy flat on his back getting his nose smashed and his teeth knocked out and he's sputtering "ya know, I see your point of view, and I appreciate your passion here, but ...."

Get up and fight, wimp.

Take some responsibility for where things are now. We keep blaming the repubs for everything, well, maybe we should look in the mirror.

The republicans have taken over because we've let them. We need to take back our country, and this starts with Howard Dean.

Go Dean.

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