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it is just so hard to have to listen to them daily. That's why I had cable disconnected, because I couldn't stop watching, and getting frustrated.

95% of child molesters are republican...it's a FACT!

They secretly *hate* Lincoln because they saw the freeing of the slaves as a tax raise in disguise...it's a FACT!

Saw some of that material in a toon about what a liberal Rush would sound like.

do you have any facts or links on that? my best friend, who happens to be very intelligent and an animal rights activist, supports the repugs. she is not a ditto head, is a voracious reader and in most ways is a free thinker but she was molested as a child. she also, as is often the case in these survivors, ended up marrying an alcholic mental abuser (and major prick) who naturally is right wing and they live in a rural small town. i have been working on her but any evidence as to what you espoused here may do the trick.

"This is war right in our own Country. We been taken over and anyone who doesn't see that isn't paying attention"! :kick:

And your point is well taken.

I'd like to think I am beyond "frustration" now and on to the calm, cool, thinking part but we'll see about that! :-(

Like a couple of the Liberal radio talkers have said .."can't be shocked anymore" ..."there's a scam a day".

I WILL TORMENT THOSE F***ERS ALL THE DAYS OF MY LIFE.

I think. I haven't gotten past the hating them part yet!

But based on alcoholism as a disease, when the family member stops being angry at the alcoholic and stops trying to change and control the alcoholic, the family members gets better and regains their personal power. Their behavior forces the alcoholic to accept responsibility for his own screw ups and he has to face his own problems. More or less how it works.

So, yeah, maybe we need to just stop trying to change these freakazoids and become happy, healthy and strong ourselves!!!!

and it is actually in their economic interest.

Everyone else it is a sign of severe stupidity.

I will always stay loyal to my Progressive/Democratic roots. Economic interest or otherwise, I simply cannot identify with the insecurity and ignorance that is the very essence of the GOP's existance. There is more to life than simply accumulating wealth for wealth's sake, especially at the expense of other human beings and our planet.

Arianna Huffington, for one, has pretty much done a political 180° in the last few years. There's also David Brock, author of Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative. Granted they're exceptions, but I'm sure there are others.

You can convince a dozen uncommited fence sitters in the time you waste arguing with a dittohead.

We can work on inner peace and world peace at the same time. On one hand, people have found inner peace by losing themselves in a cause larger than themselves, like the cause of world peace, because finding inner peace means coming from the self-centered life into the life centered in the good of the whole. On the other hand, one of the ways of working for world peace is to work for more inner peace, because world peace will never be stable until enough of us find inner peace to stabilize it. ~ Peace Pilgrim

because we can't let these scared, narrow-minded bastards run things.

The more detached we can be from our emotions, in a grand buddhist way, the better.

To judge results in unhappiness for the judger. Most unhappiness is caused by judging. "This sucks".

Try to go five minutes through any day without judging (either good or bad).

My Dad is one of these right-wingers. I love the guy for some reason, I guess because he's my Dad, but also because I believe that he sincerely feels that he's right.

He, in his own fucked up way, is as much an idealist as I am. He's a retired military guy, and believes that the world is a scary place full of dangers that we have to be vigilant against.

And in his own dopey military trusting way he trusts Republicans to do the right thing.

Does this make him an idiot? Well, he's a very smart guy in a lot of ways.

But he sure is naive about people.

I tried to tell him about how a lot of young girls want to have sex with powerful and famous men. I work in show business, you see it here all the time of course. He just didn't get it, he just thought I was making this up! (I was referring to Clinton of course). He somehow thinks that the only way a guy like Clinton would have sex with a gal like Lewinsky is if he practically raped the poor innocent little girl! I tried to tell him Dad, girls WANTED to fuck Bill Clinton. They want to fuck famous actors. They want to fuck Kobe Bryant. And they want to fuck rock stars. They will OFFER it.

He just didn't see it that way.

Bizarre.

But no way will anyone EVER change his mind about ANYTHING.

and I know how most retiree's feel. They think that only GOP 'leaders' can get us through military situations. This could not be farther from the truth.

Lincoln was the first republican, but by todays standards; he is a progressive liberal. Back then, the Dem's were the conservatives, (I'm not kidding about this). Since then, Dems have gotten us through the major conflicts. Wilson, FDR/Truman; Eisenhower began sending troopsd to Viet Nam to act as advisors in the late '50's, Kennedy wanted to find a way out, (not sure if that could have been accomplished at that point though). Johnson escalated the war, basically in the hopes that they could win by attrition. He got caught ,up in the quagmire. Nixon also escalated the war, and didn't get down to getting out of there until he could not be re-elected.

Dem's have faced the two major conflicts in the past century, and, with the odds against them, prevailed. Eisenhower set the stage, but if it weren't for McCarthy running the 'Red Scare' Eisenhower might have left 'Nam alone. Once McCarthy set his sights on the administration, things started to warm up.

In any case, the warning from Eisenhower, the last real republican, still rings true today, the 'military/industrial complex' is here to stay. But you'll never hear a neo-con call Eisenhower a good president, they hate him because he worked on infrastructure and a few social programs, (for which he rarely gets credit).

Bush 1 didn't have the guts to finish the job and abandoned the Iraqis and let them be slaughtered. Ronnie pulled out of Lebanon. Nixon tried to wage a full out war on Vietnam and ended up pulling out anyway. The Spanish American War was built on lies just like Iraqi Freedom. The Republicans are HORRIBLE military leaders.

Democrats have Lincoln (I believe like rasputin); Wilson, FDR, Truman and Clinton. Other than Somalia which was also Bush 1's venture, Clinton didn't abandon a country like Bush has abandoned Afghanistan and none of them created the kind of disaster we have in Iraq.

If you want good military leaders, Vote Democrat!!

(I'm just sort of making this up, but I think it has real potential!)

didn't take the extra plunge, and do away with "the enemy". But, then again, he just bailed, (seems to be a genetic thing in the bush family).

Bush 1 also swore to help the Kurds overthrow Saddam...hence, the use of chemical weapons, setting the stage for the mishaps today. Just as Nixon swore to help the S Vietnamese if the North ever invaded, we just dropped the ball and went home. Is there any wonder why the world does not see us as a 'believable' country.

Reagan, Bush 1 and the current moron have spent trillions of dollars on defense; but they have expended zero in credibility. To fix this, it will take an enormous amount of time, energy and capital.

As an aside.......I often wonder what direction the nation would have taken if JW Booth had failed in Ford's Theater. After a brutal Civil War, Lincoln's stating of, "with malice towards none, and charity for all", is probably the most progressive moment in our history. But it was dashed in a split second......and the world is less because of that one incident.

we feel grateful. that's the difference.

and might I add, there is great eloquence in your statement.
Thank you!

:hi:

:kick:

Is God as Mean as the Republicans? Somehow I Just can’t see Jesus with a "Kick Their Ass, Take Their Gas" Bumper Sticker.
http://www.buzzflash.com/buzzscripts/buzz.dll/content

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A Letter to Republicans from a Buzzflash Reader:

I keep seeing bumper stickers that say, "United We Stand." However, saying it doesn’t make it true. I think we are about as divided as I have ever seen us. Just pick any current issue and ask a Democrat then a Republican what they think and you’ll get surprisingly different answers. But I’m trying to look at the larger picture here. I want to know what is the main difference between us, people who are Democrats (or progressives) and you, people who are Republicans (or conservatives)?

I want to know the real biggy, the one that is at the very root of how we feel about all the issues. And I’ve thought and thought about it and do you know what I come up with? It’s a gut feeling more than a descriptive word. And the only word that can accurately be attached to that feeling is "mean."

Republicans are just plain mean.

<snip>

Mean because you hate everybody who doesn't look like you, make money like you, or believe in your religious outlook. Look at every issue and behind it, your view is based on your hatred of someone or something.