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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 06:46 PM
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Organized Support for Howard
Who's interested in organizing some support for Howard?
It doesn't have to be anything fancy. We can just throw up a website with a list of actions to take or something.

I've found:
http://www.defendhowardstern.com

but it's just a forum.

Any takers?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 06:59 PM
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1. I'll certainly help in any
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 07:06 PM by liberalhistorian
way I can. I couldn't believe his show yesterday, I've never heard him like that. He said he felt like The Matrix, like he'd suddenly taken the little blue pill and had truly woken up for the first time. He was saying goodbye, because it didn't matter what people wanted, the pressure on his company was just too great and it was only a very short time before he'd be off the air for good; the religious right and inhuman big businesses and corporations had won.

He said there was one thing we could do, he asked every one of his fans and everyone listening to vote Bush the hell out in November and get rid of his presidency because he and the "religious right kooks" are totally destroying what's left of the country.

He and those who called in agreed that it had nothing to do with what he had said, because it was nothing different from his usual shit, it had to do with his changing his tune and criticizing Bush, urging people to "get rid of his presidency." THAT was the real reason for his current problems, Clear Channel had strong, close ties to Bush and his family and refuses to tolerate any criticism of him at all. He said the truth didn't matter, because the press was just reporting it as a matter of him "going too far again", and nothing else, and that's what people would believe.

There was beeping while he was talking, he paused, then said he was being asked not to continue but f-that, he was going to keep talking about it whether they wanted him to or not, he didn't care.

I've listened to him for ten years now, and have never heard him like that. I admit I haven't really listened to his show much since 9/11 because of his gung-ho warmongering and backing of Bush, but he's been awakened, the scales have fallen from his eyes, and he's finally doing the right thing. Welcome, Howard, better late than never!

On Edit-thanks for the link, I just registered!
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:18 PM
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4. So here are the tasks which I think need to be accompished...
1)Someone needs to buy a domain name such as:
http://www.defendstern.com
and limited hosting for it.
(I could do this though I'm fairly broke right now due to parking tickets and donating to Kerry)
2)Someone needs to make a list of people to contact with letters/emails/calls of support for Stern
(This is what I'm least best at doing)
3)Someone needs to design a quick website
4)Whatever else anyone thinks of


Thoughts?

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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:04 PM
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2. As far as I'm concerned
Howard Stern has long been a vulgar scumbag. So sorry, but I'm not going to give my support to a p.o.s. like him at this point.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:09 PM
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3. So you're saying, then,
that the government has the right to determine for people who they can and cannot listen to, and who will be allowed on the air based on whether or not they criticize the prez?

Doesn't that go against what we're always saying on here, that we may not agree with someone but we'll fight for their right to say it? Aren't we always saying on here that people have the right to read, watch, listen to, whatever they want free from interference whether we agree with it or not, and that the government and the RW wingnuts don't have the right to determine that for people? Aren't you being a bit hypocritical, then?
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:18 PM
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5. Is he off the air?
No? Well then what's the problem?

And if he was war-mongering before, and I seem to recall he was pretty hard on Hillary and Bill for quite a while, then why should I give a shit about his problems now?

He didn't seem to be too concerned about accuracy or fairness in the past, but mainly being a "shock jock", being as totally outrageous as possible.

The reality is, people like him don't give a rat's ass about people like me. He's willing to lie and be as offensive as possible and I'm sure he makes millions of dollars doing so.

And it's not the government shutting him down, but a big media outlet. Not that that makes it okay, but you really should distinguish. Stern strikes me essentially as a spoiled brat of a bully who can dish it out but can't take it.

Go ahead, support him in any way you choose. It still is a free country. But I'm going to focus my energies and money where I hope it will do some real good.
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:37 PM
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7. Actually, the FCC has announced that it's planning an inquiry into Stern's
show.

They've recently been handing out heavy fines and Congress is contemplating passing measures that would increase the amount of fines the FCC could hand out.

If the FCC hands out or threatens to hand out heavy fines and this directly results in forcing shows off the air, then the government is shutting down shows. There shouldn't be any mincing words about it.

If Howard Stern is being targeted for his anti-Bush on-air comments then I'm willing to put in a few MEASELY hours defending him.

This is about being silenced for political criticism, not vulgarity.


Here are a couple links though I'm not great at link hunting:
http://www.tribnet.com/24hour/entertainment/story/1188282p-8152320c.html


http://www.opednews.com/kall030604_fcc_indecency.htm
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:36 PM
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11. It IS the government shutting him down,
Bush and his family are VERY close to the Clear Channel owner, and the government pretty much tells the FCC what to do, who to go after, who to shut down, etc., etc. The FCC IS the government.

The pressue it can put on media outlets is simply unbelievable, and they can levy millions of dollars in fines for pure bullshit, which they assuredly have done. Now they're going back and claiming that certain things that were said LAST YEAR that they at first determined were NOT obscene now ARE obscene and are levying fines. THAT is bullshit, I'm sorry. And again, the FCC IS THE GOVERNMENT!
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EDT Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:19 PM
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6. Glad to see he's getting some media time on his comments

Alot of people (women in particular) find him vulgar. But I say, if you don't like him, you don't realize how tongue in cheek he's being with his comments.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/03/06/howard.stern.ap/index.html
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 09:35 PM
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8. you say
tongue in cheek - I say pig in front of microphone.

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:23 PM
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9. EXACTLY!
THAT is what a lot of people don't seem to understand, he's not really serious with most of that stuff, and it IS tongue-in-cheek. If he were, Robin Quivers, a very proud, feminist, liberal black woman, would have nothing to do with him.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:31 PM
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10. Exactly.
He lets the racists and homophobes on to show them for the idiots they are. And since when are liberals such prudes about sex?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:38 PM
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12. I know, it really
amazes me. And I'm tired of people determining for me who I can and can't listen to or watch, etc., and I'm ESPECIALLY disappointed when it's liberals doing it.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 10:44 PM
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13. I am not determining for you who you can and cannot watch.
I simply consider Howard Stern a vulgar, sexist pig, and I choose not to watch or listen to him. You're free to do so yourself.

So he's totally tongue in cheek? I've known defenders of Rush Limbaugh to say the same thing about him. Somehow the irony and humor of either man is lost on me.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 11:30 PM
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14. I guess creeping fascism is OK with you then.
You may not like what he has to say which is your right, but he's been doing this for years. For the past few weeks, he's been attacking Bush and his policies. But, suddenly, Clear Channel finds him "indecent" for stuff he's been doing for years and they take him off the air for indecency? Don't you think that the timing is a bit convenient? In an election year climate with a close race where a popular radio show host is vehemently against Bush and a company (Clear Channel) that is run by Bush buddies and campaign contributers from Texas? Coincidence? I think not! It's not very difficult to connect the dots. CC has also taken off the air an anti-war conservative and had company sponsored Dixie Chick CD smashing parties (21st Century Book Burnings). You may think he's a "vulgar sexist pig" but at least you are still free to do so.

The time is coming when we won't be free to speak out at all! Howard Stern is the proverbial canary in the coal mine. If this is allowed to go on unchallenged, who's next? Randi Rhodes? Rush Limbaugh?

IF WE DON"T DEFEND THE SPEECH OF THOSE WE DESPISE, THEN THERE IS NO FREE SPEECH!
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