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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:09 AM
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Those 21,000 new Februrary jobs were ALL government jobs!
Boy, those tax cuts for billionnaires worked like a charm, didn't they?

Remember, the forecast was for 300,000 new private sector jobs.

"The details in the report were uniformly bleak. Private-sector employment showed no gains. Government hiring was the only reason the nonfarm payroll count rose.
In addition, job creation in December and January was weaker than previously thought, by a combined 23,000 jobs. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040305/ts_nm/economy_dc_41

Weren't the Chimp and his handlers pretending the January job gain number was in the hundred thousand range last month?

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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:12 AM
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1. 43rd straight month of manufacturing decline
The country is bleeding jobs overseas
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:32 AM
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5. Both Kerry and the Democrats in congress have good plans
Here's Kerry's...

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/index.html

"Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., wants to prohibit offshore work in cases where the government privatizes government jobs, the federal government contracts for goods and services, and state governments contract work using federal funds.
"Federal dollars ought to be used to pay American workers," he said.
Dodd moved Wednesday to attach the prohibition to a corporate tax break under consideration in the Senate. Republicans asked for more time to study the idea and propose changes.
The proposal is more fallout from the uproar that broke out when N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, suggested that sending American jobs overseas was good for the U.S. economy in the long run. Mankiw later apologized but said he had been misunderstood. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040304/ap_on_go_co/taxes_tariffs_11

Myself, I would like to see a tax penalty against corporations for each job that goes overseas.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:14 AM
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2. I have a suggestion for the economists
How about rethinking their definition of "recovery?"

Some economists said the relative dearth of hiring more than 27 months into an economic recovery was unprecedented.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:37 AM
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6. How about this?
In 1992, Clinton ran against Bush by claiming the recovery was a jobless recovery when we were creating 125,000 to 150,000 jobs per month... that meant that jobs were relatively flat with the growing population entering the work force.

So, my suggestion is to call this, where we're creating a miniscule number of jobs in relation to the growing population is to call it a job loss recovery

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:19 AM
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3. Outsourcer Wanted - Here's Your Opportunity To Outsource American Jobs
In my continuing quest for employment, I ran across this job posting Sunday morning.

The job title is Director of Offshore Outsourcing Pre-sales for a company called Keane, Inc.

The complete job description is provided below since no copyright is listed and the placement is posted at a public job board.

Here is your chance to lend GW a hand in eliminating good American jobs. Seems those tax cuts are working quite well creating new outsourcer positions.

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http://www.hirediversity.com/jobseekers/viewjob.asp?id=765307

We currently have an opportunity available in for a Director of Pre-Sales in our Offshore Application Outsourcing group with a successful track record in the IT Offshore Consulting services industry. The person would be able to reside in the US and be open to 70%+ travel in the US and minimal travel to India.

Responsibilities will include:
Key responsibilities include providing executive level pre-sales support to NABO (North American Branch Operations) through thought leadership, subject matter expertise, strategy and solution development, executive client interface, capability articulation and oversight of post sales activities for opportunities involving Global Services and Keane's AO offerings. Guiding principles stress the significance of relationship, expectation management and a client oriented approach with NABO. Overall expectation is to provide leadership and expertise to North America and Advanced Development Centers while contributing value to sales and delivery in a matrix environment.

Key functions and responsibilities are:

·Capability Articulation of Offshore
·Opportunity Qualification
·Solution Formulation (Estimation, Costing, distribution)
·Proposal Presentation / Walk Through / Orals
·Due Diligence
·Oversight of Start up / Transition in
·Drive Special Programs and projects
·ADC coordination and planning

Competencies & Qualifications:
·Previous experience in a Vice President or Director level role with significant P/L & territory size
·Over 5 years of Outsourcing and Offshore experience as a Director, Delivery Manager, Engagement Manager or Client Executive
·Over 8 years of Delivery Experience managing people, client and the engagements
·Experience growing existing accounts and new business as an Engagement Manager for multiple accounts
·5+ years of sales support
·2+ years of proposal & RFP experience
·Deal sizes average $50M - $200M over multiple years
·C level experience working with the client at a CIO, CFO, VP level of Fortune 500/1000 organizations
·Working knowledge of SEI/CMM, ISO9000, Six Sigma or other quality initiatives
·Capability articulation ability across all ADCs & service offerings
·Customer interface abilities at all levels
·All aspects of solution development and articulation in a competitive environment
·Be able to provide thought leadership within the pursuit team
·Flexible & proven team player capable of delivering value in a cross functional environment
·Experienced and understanding in handling formal process & delivery models relative to offsite / offshore
·Must have a strong Business Development / Engagement Management background and personality type
·Experience with a tier 1 pure play offshore company strongly desired
·Potential to grow into GSIT leadership role within 6-12 months
·Must be willing to travel (60 - 70%)

ONLY CANDIDATES WITH PRIOR INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE WILL BE CONSIDERED.

Keane is an equal opportunity employer, m/f/d/v.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:23 AM
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4. Thanks for reminding me
to kick this topic around on some other message boards. The last one I threw out for observation was the reclassification of french fry producers as manufacturers. Stuff like this gets the attention of people who aren't watching as diligently as we are. I usually don't even bother to editorialize, at least not initially until the conversation gets rolling; the articles speak for themselves.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:42 AM
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7. I guess this is one of the "better" jobs we were promised by the
Globalization Gurus. They said only menial jobs would be outsourced
while better ones would be created here.

Note that outsourcers with experience only need apply.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:46 AM
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8. It's important to keep this in the public discourse
This appointistration seems to spend a lot more time thinking up ways to fool people into thinking there are new jobs than they do thinking up ways to create new jobs..

We could have created two million jobs at $40,000 a year to rebuild the infrastructure, expand the electrical grid, refurbish our schools, etc. for a lot less than the tax cut for billionaires cost.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 09:53 AM
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9. It's worse than it sounds
According to this article, an economist from Merrill Lynch said without modest gains in government and temporary jobs, the economy actually shed jobs.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040306/RJOBSUS06//?query=barrie+mckenna
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:01 AM
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10. And how many of those jobs were created by temp agencies to cover
the National Guard units activated to go off to Iraq?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:18 AM
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11. Wow. Not even hamburger manufacturing jobs?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:41 AM
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12. Part of the problem...
is that they really have no idea how to increase jobs. Their one shot was the tax cut. That didn't work so they're out of ideas.

What really bothers me is the nagging suspicion that they really don't care.

They just don't give a shit about us.

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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 10:41 AM
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13. Do the math on Clinton's 21.6 million jobs created in eight years...
21,600,000 jobs and the averages over eight years:

2,700,000 jobs per Year
225,000 jobs per Month
7,398 jobs per Day
308 jobs per Hour

Most incredible is 5.13 jobs created PER MINUTE for EIGHT YEARS.

Bush claims this economy has to recover from the Clinton recession?

David
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:09 AM
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14. What sort of government jobs?
Prostitutes for Tom Ridge and John Ashcroft?

In other words, all 23k of them were likely military in nature.


Economists warned consumer spending could falter, once a burst of tax refunds was spent if jobs did not turn up.

Hmmm, what's preferable now: More tax refunds or jobs? I say jobs...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-07-04 11:29 AM
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15. The Arkansas project, updated?
Wish we had the sort of press that asked questions like that...
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