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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:48 AM
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What happens when 'American' countries start joining the EU?
Don't laugh, it's already being considered:



IF ARUBA ENTERS THE E.U. IT WILL HAVE TO GO BY ITS TRADING RULES.

Oranjestad, Aruba.

October 24th 2003,

No official standpoint has been made by the Aruban government in regard
to the future status of Aruba as a possible member of the European Union (E.U.).
However some remarks are mentioned parliament members which will lead to a final
standpoint on the issue.

Prime Minister Oduber says that the U.S. enjoys a degree of preference if
Aruba has to choose between the Free Trade Area of the Americas in which
the U.S. will play a great role in and the E.U. Oduber says that 90% of the trade
in Aruba is conducted with the U.S., making it the most important trading
partner for the island. If Aruba is to enter the E.U. the island will
have to go by European trading rules and thus barriers will be created in the
trade relations between Aruba and the U.S...
http://www.cyberdistrict.net/eddy/1579.htm
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Vernunft II Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:54 AM
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1. Aruba is not a country.
It´s a dutch overseas territory. As that it can choose to be part of the EU. There already are parts of the american continent which are parts of the EU. Martinique, Guadeloupe and french Guyana are all frech overseas departements (As is Reunion in the indian Ocean) and they are part of the EU and use the Euro as their currency.

There are several other islands in the Caribean Sea who still are part of their european mother countries who have the same option.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:25 AM
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12. Yeah, but what about the Monroe Doctrine
Here as it relates to trade...

And, if this is allowed...

What about members of the Commonwealth? Can they be EU members?


ACk!

That would be a neocon nightmare.
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Vernunft II Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:40 AM
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14. I don´t think the monroe doctrine ever applied to a bunch of small islands
in the caribean and a stretch of jungle in south america. The EU would however defend French Guyana. Our space center is down there in Kourou.
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BradCKY Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:57 AM
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2. Why would be they be allowed to do this?
I would think the first provision to enter the EU would to actually be on the continent of Europe? Guess not.
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Vernunft II Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:57 AM
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3. Read my reply :-)
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BradCKY Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:58 AM
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4. Ahhh ok
I still think it is ridiculous though :)
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Vernunft II Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:00 AM
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5. Why is that ?
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BradCKY Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:02 AM
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6. Only because
I just think of the EU as "in" Europe, but hey its their coalition not mine.
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Vernunft II Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:06 AM
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7. Well, sovereign states located in america or elsewhere couldn´t join.
We´re facing that dilema right now because both Morocco and Turkey want to join and both are not located in Europe.

Places like Aruba or the others I named are remnants of a colonial past and as such entitled to join the treaties a mother country signs. Once they are released into full independence they´d have to make their own relations.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:06 AM
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8. well, it's a "flexible" definition of Europe...
guess to what Soccer World Cup region does Israel belong?

You guessed it, Europe.
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Vernunft II Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:10 AM
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10. That´s a different story though.
Israel was boycotted in every asian group and it´s hard to play soccer when you fear for your life. Imagine games in Yordan or Egypt.

So the FIFA grouped Israel in with Europe because we may be considered anti-semitic by some at least we´re not killing them anymore. Unless you consider a 12:0 defeat for Israel a "killing" :-)
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:31 AM
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13. The International Skating Union
places Israel in the European group, at least for figure (artistic) skating for the same reason.

Israeli skaters compete at the European Championships before the World or Olympic Championships. The Asian group in figure skating, which competes at the 4 Continents Championships before Worlds/Olys as well as at the Asian Games, includes Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, as well as Japan, China, etc. There is concern that if the 4 Continents Championships were held in either of those countries, problems might arise for the Israeli team not necessarily from the government or officials from those countries, but from outraged citizens or "visitors."

The Israelis have had success in Ice Dance. One of their teams won a World bronze medal and are consistently ranked very highly. Yes, there's a rink there, but their skaters often train in Russia, Europe or the U.S.
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Vernunft II Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:41 AM
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15. I think they do that with pretty much every sport.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:50 AM
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16. guess what MTV does Israel receive?
MTV Europe!

:hi:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:10 AM
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9. Already broken that for Turkey
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Vernunft II Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 02:12 AM
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11. No. They applied and some are thinking about it.
They are because they know Turkey can never join. New members must be voted in without a counter vote. Greece would never vote for Turkey to join. Every politican here in Europe is counting on that. Even those who talk about letting them in.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:17 AM
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17. The old Greek government seemed able to contemplate it
don't know about the one voted in yesterday ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2315791.stm

Greece has said there is no reason why the European Union should not set a date to start accession talks with Turkey at its December summit in Copenhagen.
...
Relations between Greece and fellow Nato alliance member Turkey have improved in recent years, easing their traditional enmity.

BBC Athens correspondent Panos Polyzoidis says Greece would rather deal with difficult issues such as the division of Cyprus with Turkey inside the EU than out.


Remember that the original reason for the EU was to heal old enmities between countries, eg France and Germany.
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