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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:42 AM
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Science suggests that you can die of a broken heart
Researchers have found that depression, and emotional stress dramatically increase your chances of heart disesase and heart attack. These are studies that controlled for things like obesity, family history and smoking.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/08/earlyshow/contributors/emilysenay/main604529.shtml

I was thinking about this, and I thought, why is it always studied as "depression" -- what about OPPRESSION. If we looked at it that way, as a disease of the society and not just the individual, we would see clearly why the poor and minorities in this country have much higher rates of heart disease. Not that individual choices don't matter, but that a greater commitment to social justice would improve our health -- literally.

An unjust society will make you sick. Many Vietnam vets (one population studied) have literally died of broken hearts suffered in combat. Like a lot of science, it proves what most of us know from personal experiences.

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:47 AM
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1. Oh yes I knew this all along
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 11:54 AM by Mari333
when my first husband died a sudden death, I went from 140 pounds to 110 pounds in a month...I was 35 and had 3 kids to raise, and thats what forced me to keep going and live
Ive met soooooooo many widows and widowers who died within 6 months of their spouses..the emotional stress is a killer.
If I lost a child, I dont know now if I would survive the stress at my age now. I know my husband wouldnt, hes sick now because of his son being in Iraq. We hold each other up.
Bout time they used this in an article.
Of course, theres very little help for people out there. A good shrink costs 100 dollars an hour.
Bars, anti depressants, and doctors throwing pills at people is usually how US society deals with it.
The Vets returning from Iraq wont get any help either. The military industrial complex, and hell, this whole society, pretty much ignores grief and stress and its a real phenomenon and a real issue.
add to that the emotional hell so many are going thru without jobs, on top of the other losses in their lives.
Its a class war. It is. The ever increasing poor in the US will die early, have no health care, and no help.
The wealthy will get all the help they need.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:52 AM
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3. Isn't it sad
How we neglect the mental health of all our citizens? (Except of course the rich -- that's who those $100 per hour shrinks are for)

The soldiers coming back from Iraq will be given a clear signal that it is a sign of weakness to express emotional pain. They have it the worst, because society inflicts the trauma, and then compounds it. For the rest of us, there is just neglect and endless pharmaceuticals. No solution is good to these people unless a corporation profits from it.

My best wishes to you! You are coping with so much.

:hug: :hug:

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:56 AM
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4. The media is trying to convince us
that the army has all of these wonderful reintegration programs. My brother never got any help after being in the thick of battle in PGWI.

The army wasn't supposed to assign anyone to bnody detail who hadn't been cleared psychologically for it, but they didn't stick with that objective, either.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:52 AM
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2. It is true that depression can be brought on by circumstances...
However, it is also true that there is often an organic or genetic factor to depression.

There are two types of depression: situational, which is usually temporary, and chronic, which can be all the time or intermittant on a regular basis.

Situational depression can morph into chronic depression.

Both types can be seriously aggravated by conditions and events.

Situational may clear up without medical help, or it may turn into chronic depression.

Chronic depression needs medical attention... Or the family and loved ones will suffer as much as, sometime more than, the afflicted.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:07 PM
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5. Hmmm..
Fact is everything we think and feel has an impact
on our health....poor people have always known this
though there is not a lot to be done about it if one
must live a problem filled life. Sometimes our feelings
(and thoughts) are the only things we truly own, and
even those things are constantly being manipulated by
corporate powers and media manipulations.

There is some comfort...look at Dick Cheney, the guy
never saw combat, or poverty....but he has heart disease
so serious he travels with a doctor at all times. So
sometimes being rich, greedy, selfish and manipulative
comes back to haunt you with poor health too.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:15 PM
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6. That's really bad news
Since Bush doesn't think or feel, should we infer that he will have a long life? Sigh, there is no God.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 05:04 PM
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12. That is comforting!
The evil people are destroying themselves with their evil minds, but we can learn to be positive. They never can, because the root of their problem is negativity.

Good point.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:20 PM
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7. not to mention the suicides, intentional or otherwise
caused by broken hearts.

Rough stuff!
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thingfish Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:51 PM
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8. You should read The Lucifer Principle, by Howard Bloom.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 05:09 PM
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13. Hey thanks!
I'm checking out Bloom's website now. Have you read the new book, "Global Brain?" This looks very interesting.

:hi:


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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:16 PM
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9. tis true


I suffered 3 huge losses in a row and felt like I only had a tiny piece of heart left. felt like my heart was hemorrhaging. It took a long, long time to stop feeling that way. a long, horrible time.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:24 PM
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10. I believe that.
Since I was so heart-broken after my last divorce that I tried drinking myself to death. Slowly.
Luckily, I didn't succeed, and I finally got over her.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:32 PM
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11. I believe it cause........
it almost killed me once.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 05:11 PM
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14. For all the scarred and battered hearts
Here's to love and regeneration, which perhaps can come with healing.

:loveya:

boobooday


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