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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:30 AM
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Help! My Family is Insane!
During the past two years, I have been leaning more and more toward the left because of what Shrubya has done to the country. Everyone in my family is an extreme right-winger. My mother listens to Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Faux News and my brother is gung-ho for Rush Limbaugh and Ayn Rand.

Most of the county is dreadfully conservative. I feel like an alien.

I would like to move, but the kicker is that I'm disabled and scared to death. A lot of the time I just want to sit down and cry about the rift between myself and my family, but I know I can never make it go away. I've changed. They've stayed the same. They don't think for themselves, so they will never change. :(

In this small town, running into people you know is an every day occurrence. I was waiting to be seated at a restaurant and my brother walked in. I had to hide the book I was reading: Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot. The sad thing is, I would much rather have eaten alone than with him. :( I don't like my family. They're mean, obnoxious religious reichers and/or Dittoheads, all.

There has to be someone else here with an entire family full of bigots...???
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:31 AM
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1. Oh, by the way...
I was informed that Howard Dean is a "commie" by my brother. >:(
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:39 AM
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3. a commie lol
Thats really funny IMO because he's really only liberal on social issues and hes more moderate imo because hes not that economic liberal, sorry in that respect he isnt and if he was a commie the NRA wouldnt be giving him A ratings.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:58 AM
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13. I Always Tell PUkes, I'm A Disabled, Hispanic Woman
grew up poor to middle class, what makes you think I would ever consider being a republican?

I'm grateful I am not surrounded by repubican's anymore, and I guess I can thank my disability. (never thought I would be grateful for that) but it got me out of being around pukes in the work force.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:16 AM
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29. OOPs!
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 10:17 AM by 9215
See below
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:58 PM
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32. Oh my gosh!!
We must be related...

You aren't alone, your description IS my family also!!
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antineocon1 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:37 AM
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2. You need assertiveness training...
Don't let them brow beat you. You have a right to your opinions. If you argue persuasively, you might make some headway with them. Also, it's good to come to this board to meet people and chat with those who think as you do.
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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:39 AM
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4. My mom thinks Bush walks on water
My brothers think that Bush is the best thing since sliced bread, cause of those tax-refunds.

And YES the main topic of discussion always revolves around Clinton's penis.

I'm right in the middle of the enemy territory, and I'm scared to death, at the prospect of putting a bumper sticker on.

That being said...everytime I come across something on the net, it gets forwarded straight to my mom.

And as she is shelling out thousands of dollars for her medications, she gets me back by sending me republican bullshit.

We fight, we bicker, but I AM RIGHT....LOL

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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:56 AM
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12. take heart...my totally conservative mother YELLS at the tv when Smirko...
...comes on. And when Rummie or Ashcroft come on...

See, my lil' ol' gray-haired mother knows when she's being lied-to...
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:20 PM
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36. They aren't tax "refunds", they're "ADVANCES"
hope he figures that one out quick. You might ask him what he's gonna do when Jr. and his cronies export his job.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:40 AM
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5. Check.
My uncles are. Right-wing fundies. The whole lot of them. "The niggers this and that.." It's sad to say this, but I think the country will be in much better shape when that thought pattern dies.

My dad, as a contast to his brothers, tries to go with logic on issues rather than emotion. I have to steer him with little-known facts, quotations from the Constitution, and stories that the media ignores. I'm put him as a moderate. Mom mostly stays silent, only to rarely comment that she misses Clinton.

Lately, I don't bring-up politics around the extended family. They're all a bunch of one or two-issue theocrats. You can be armed with all of the facts and logic in the world, but when ten other people are piling-up onto you, you don't stand a chance.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:40 AM
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6. most of the country
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 01:41 AM by lazarus
is liberal. Don't let them fool you. I live in what's considered the second most conservative county in California, and I speak loudly whenever I want about Bush. Haven't had a single person argue with me.

Helps that I'm relatively a really big intimidating guy, but still.

The military is turning against him. Even the right is turning against him. Don't be afraid. Learn as much as you can, so you can throw their arguments back in their faces. That's all it takes.

BTW, as for conservative families, my stepmother is a personal friend of W's, and my dad has a picture of himself with Rush.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:45 AM
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9. I am sorry laz
How does your step mom know the idiot? I would like a picture of me with Rush.....................me with a sign Propaganda Spinmaster------------> it would be pointed at Rush of course.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:03 AM
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14. connections
She lives in Texas. They own a house on a lake near Crawford. I was "treated" to W's favourite barbecue last year. Hoorah.

I prefer southern barbecue, to be honest.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:07 AM
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15. of course
Oh thats why. If you ever see the guy, give em hell, you know who I am talking about, Bush.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:30 AM
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22. Most of the country
Is moderate. They fall more liberal on some issues, less so on others.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:42 AM
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7. My lifelong friend who cared about the environment and who thought
politics was nonessential, thinks Bush is a strong leader and just right for these times. Where do I go from here?

I am there where you are. Thank goddess for DU.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 06:00 PM
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39. So she doesn't get that he CAUSED these times?
She would have felt so secure with Mussolini.

Sorry. It's really rough when a long time friend is suddenly someone you have nothing in common with.
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:43 AM
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8. You're not alone
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 01:44 AM by AnnabelLee
My family are all wingnuts, too. My mother looooves Pat Robertson, has his books all over her house, sends him money, & has recently started sending money to his horrible ACLJ. She loves Phyllis Schlafly, too.

One of my sisters told me once that when she saw Clinton giving a speech in which he said "our children", she turned to her son & said, "He's not your father".:crazy:

On edit: My stepfather thinks Rush is "the smartest man in America".
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Specterx Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:52 AM
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10. If it helps...
You have to remember that most republicans (aside from the corporate CEOs in it for the money, or the hard core Nazi/KKK nuts) are simply uninformed. If you throw enough of the truth at them they'll eventually accept it. The key I've found is to simply drown out the right (though it's admittedly hard to drown out a loudspeaker).
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:51 PM
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31. Hi Specterx!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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ryharrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:48 AM
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19. That reminds me of a song.
"The greatest man in america" by Moxy Fruvous. It's about Rush. They're a very political (liberal) band, and hilarious. I definitely suggest checking it out.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 08:55 AM
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27. I'm very lucky, though I'm not in the U.S.
Everyone here in Canada doesn't like Bush, even people I know who aren't very political. :)

Even my conservative leaning Dad and Grandpa think Bush is a dangerous nutjob. :) My Mom tells me that she essentially agrees with me politically. (that's my Mom!!!) :)

My apolitical (???) sister told my Mom that the two worst(war mongering) presidents have come from one state. (duh?, oh, Texas, right!!!!!) :crazy:

Here in Canada we can say that leaders are dummies or whatever and not have wingnuts on the streets get all hot and bothered over the fact. Things seem rather heated in the United States.
I really have respect for all you people who stand up for your opinions in the U.S., you sometimes have to take a lot of flak. I am also saddened that you have to come across such hate and ignorance from wingnuts. :(
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 01:52 AM
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11. Just be careful that there is no big pod next to you when you go to sleep
http://www.filmsite.org/inva.html

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) is a thrilling, disturbing classic science fiction/alien film. It was originally based upon a three-part story written by Jack Finney that appeared in Colliers Magazine in 1954, and then in 1955 was rendered into an expanded novel, The Body Snatchers. The screenplay, written by Daniel Mainwaring was aided, according to some sources, with uncredited scriptwriting by Sam Peckinpah. A quintessential, black and white B-picture, it was precisely-executed and packed with action by director Don Siegel, plus a scary musical score from Carmen Dragon. The subtle, low-budget film is very effective in eliciting horror even though there are no monsters, minimal special effects, no violence, and no deaths.

The film was re-made twice: (1) Philip Kaufman's adaptation Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) with Donald Sutherland and Brooke Adams (and featuring cameo roles by Kevin McCarthy and Don Siegel) and set in San Francisco and nearby Mill Valley, and (2) Abel Ferrara's The Body Snatchers (1994) - the book's original title - with Gabrielle Anwar, Meg Tilly and Forrest Whittaker, and set on a Southern military base.

The theme of the politicized film was open to varying interpretations, including paranoia toward a harmful ideology such as socialistic Communism or the sweeping paranoic mass hysteria of McCarthyism in the 1950s and blacklisting of Hollywood, the spread of an unknown malignancy or virulent germ, or the numbing of our individuality and emotional psyches through conformity and group-think. Yet its main theme was the alien dehumanizing and take-over of an entire community by large seed pods (found in basements, automobile trunks, a greenhouse, and on a pool table) that replicated and replaced human beings. And the heroic struggle of one helpless but determined man of conscience, a small-town doctor (McCarthy), to combat and quell the deadly, indestructible threat.

This relentlessly haunting film received no Academy Award nominations. The prologue and its unconvincing matching epilogue were not in the original shooting of the film and tacked on, due to studio demands, to provide a more hopeful ending. The studio-imposed footage was removed in the 1979 re-issue.

In the exciting opening prologue with extended narration, dishevelled physician Dr. Miles Bennell (Kevin McCarthy), distraught and seeming to be psychotic and mad about alien invaders, shouts to the unbelieving nurses, interns and doctors in the emergency room of the city's (San Francisco) Emergency Hospital where he has been brought:


Doctor, will you tell these fools? I'm not crazy. Make them listen to me before it's too late.

more

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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:11 AM
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16. Well
I wouldn't try to convince any one.
I might sugest that you plan a long term objective perhaps by keeping a diary or writing a story about the situation.
It might be a good way to channel ones frustrations.
One could also use a code when recording/writing things.

Could also turn out to be a good history of common life in these times.

Just my thoughts.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:28 AM
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17. Welcome to the club, Ladyhawk.
I empathize completely. There are only two members of my family besides my kids that I can even have a civil conversation with anymore, thanks to Bush the "uniter" and his gang of crooks. Fortunately, most of my family is on the far coast. Unfortunately, that includes the two I'm most fond of and in agreement with.

"I don't like my family. They're mean, obnoxious religious reichers and/or Dittoheads, all.
There has to be someone else here with an entire family full of bigots...???"


Yup. Most of my relatives are racist homophobes, on top of it. Sometimes I think that the #1 thing I did right in life was move 3000 miles away and raise my kids without my family's influence.

You're not alone, Ladyhawk, believe me!
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alaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 02:40 AM
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18. You're brave as hell!
I know how hard it was for me to break away from the right wing brainwashing of my childhood, but having the courage to confront leaving family support as a disabled person is something I have never had to confront. I'm sure there is support out there for these kinds of situations, though I don't know enough about it to know. I'll be thinking about you and I wish you the best, D.U. is a great place to no feel so alone.
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:06 AM
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20. my family
Well Ladyhawk, it sounds like I have it easy compared to you. While I do live in a household full of staunch Republicans, they are definitely not bigots.

Although I do get treated to the sounds and images of Fox News blaring on the TV everytime I pass through the living room...
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:10 AM
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21. checking in here with two r-w jerks in the family
I have two r-w morans in my family, too. I can hardly stand to be around either of them very long. They are complete idiots and are always effing up their lives. Two other family members are liberal Dems but it's always the repugs that dominate the conversation and disgust the rest of us.


Cher
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:43 AM
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23. The advantage to "Faith Based" Politics
is that it requires no thinking whatsoever. Its great for lazy idealogues.

RWer's don't really have a political philosophy. They just hear easy to remember, snappy soundbites from Jeff Christy and regurgitate them like chants at a sporting event.

Someone with such political "faith" is impossible to debate and discuss issues with. They don't know what the issues are or what the consequences of policies are....because they have never had to consider them. Just chant the latest Jeff Christy sound bite and join in with the cheer leading section of the Smirk O Rama, and bingo, you are with the "in crowd".

I've had occassion to attempt to discuss issues a number of times with RWers. If you ask them what their positions are you will find almost inevitably that they don't agree with most RW policies.....but when you add it all up for them at the end, they get that glazed look in their eyes and start chanting the latest cheer for Smirk and go back to the thought-rut built for them by the media.

They are like people from the Night of the Living Dead...they are thought zombies.

There is nothing for it.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:43 AM
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24. I guess I'm lucky, then...
My family is liberal. Very liberal. Both parents are against the Iraq war, against Bush, against the Patriot Act, and so on. My maternal grandmother had the intelligence to stand against the Afghan war very early on, when the rest of the country was blindingly lustful for revenge and "security" (Bush-style, of course.)

Of course it's helped that every member of my family is in at least one minority group.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:47 AM
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25. The neocons would love you to think that most of the country...
...is 'conservative'...but that's not true.

- It may look like neocons are a majority...but only because they have control of the mass communications in America.

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 08:34 AM
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26. yes - real life is not how cable news portrays it


fundamentalists yell a lot
paid blatherers yell a lot
the bushgang paid media yells a lot

and don't forget how the gang uses the Fear Factor

the gang can get more out of us if we are kept poor and afraid.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 09:24 AM
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28. well, you have family here!
Im sorry you have to deal with this everyday and a giant HUG to you..
My brother is a speaker for the NRA and a Bush Freeper all the way, my sister is in Kentucky and voted for Bush, my other brother is a christian evangelical Bushite, my mother listens to Rush and watches FAUX, and my other sister is FINALLY coming around, and realizing Bush is an idiot...I have one more brother who is a nice guy but I dont know his politics yet...
(as you can see, we were Catholic)
I have always been the liberal in the family, and thats how its been..from Vietnam til now, Ive been the black sheep. Sad thing is, my dad alays voted Democratic until he and my mother got caught up on the womens rights issues and decided that wasnt their cup of tea...
Its very hard I know...I dont live with them now, but I do visit, and Its always very very tense.
Hugs again to you...DU is online Family, IMO...
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:18 AM
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30. I don't have any Repug friends.
Your predicament is a tough one, being confined by your physical disability. From what I've seen on this board and other discussion boards it seems alot of people go through phases in adapting to their environment. I would encourage you to think about expanding, in any way you can, your contacts and associations with like minded people and/or political groups and spend your time as much as possible with them. I know it isn't easy.

I used to try to tell others what I knew but then gave it up. I'm confident now that soon people who have opened their eyes to what is going on and investigated some of the issues will see the conservatives start to listen to them. It may sound too optimistic, but the crap is coming down on Bush in a big way and people like you and the others on this board will be listened to in the future.

If Bush doesn't go down there won't be much of a future worth living for.

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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:47 PM
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33. Same here ...
My family doesn't have a clue what is going on - just that Republicans are good so anything bush stands for is good enough for them.:eyes: I have been more and more vocal about the insanity of the last couple years, and while they haven't a clue of the facts or an inkling about the issues involved, they act as though I have fallen off the deep end of lunacy. And I am by no means on the fringe - I am a moderate! *sigh*

I feel for ya, Ladyhawk. You are not an alien. The pendulum will swing back to our side.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 03:52 PM
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34. You have heard me talk about my nut-job repuke family here
My father has conspiricy theories: the NEA supports doling out ritalin to brainwash children in liberal propeganda. He all but has his radio soldered on AM, lest he can't tune in his conservative "fix."

My aunt and uncle: taped every episode of Rush. I assume, since the VCR was by their bed, the must have put it on to get in the mood. The only time I have ever heard them compliment anything a democrat/liberal has done is Jimmy Carter's work with Habitat for humanity. My uncle tells NAACP jokes & has insults for about all Christian denominations, except the one he belongs to-most are cults, or populated with evil people. has used slurs while in churches he does not agree with at two family weddings.

My Cousins: once all seemed to have hope for common sense. Most are now competing to be be biggest wingnut in their family, assumibly to take over for their parents when they are gone.

My dad's mom: compiled lists of organizations and countries who were left wing. Considered any liberals traitors and communists. All democrats were liberals. Beleived the way to end the AIDS epidemic was to forcibly ship people with it off to an island, like lepers.

My mom's mom: believed that all black people had diseases and were worthless filth in general. Taught me as a child not to go near black people or they would kidnap me. A Democrat, but a Strom Thurmond type who never crossed the aisle.

I guess we all have crazies in our families.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:39 PM
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37. I grew up in an extremely right-wing, xtian fundamentalist home.
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 05:45 PM by Ladyhawk
I went to a right-wing, xtian fundamentalist school and was thoroughly brainwashed for the first eighteen years of my life. I wasn't allowed to associate with anyone who wasn't just as crazy as my family, so I thought that Republican Christians were the only good people. x( How wrong is that?

Getting away from that environment put the whole "Republican Christian house of cards" into a strong breeze. It wasn't long until the top layers began to crumble and within five years of living in the real world, the whole thing burned to the ground. After 9-11, even the foundation was dug up.

I am now a confirmed atheist. I actually (very reluctantly) voted for the chimp, but having seen through his transparent lies, I've vowed never to vote Republican again. And I won't while that party is populated with lying corporate fascists.

Unfortunately, I'm the only one in my family who has really challenged the set of beliefs I grew up with. The rest of them are too afraid. Some of them have had to admit that the idea of a personal god is kind of screwy, but my brother just floated over to atheistic Ayn Rand capitalism.

My brother is best friends with a very dangerous Republican California State Senator named Rico Oller. Growing up, I knew the man personally. He has ambitions. Believe me, you don't want him to fulfill those ambitions. I've never met a man who was more cruel to animals (and women).

Me? I changed my views to stop the cognitive dissonance and lost every friend I had. They wouldn't accept the fact I no longer believed in God or Jesus. My family doesn't accept it, either. Nor do they accept my emerging political view that George W. Bush has the IQ of duct tape and that there is something really nasty going on behind the curtain...ignore that man behind the curtain!

I've never felt so afraid of the future, not even during the cold war. I'm so paranoid I halfway believe that the shadow government behind Shrubya may have allowed the whole 9-11 thing in order to consolidate power. There are some facts that support this theory, but I won't totally believe it until it is proven. Still, having a few thousand people die on American soil as the result of a terrorist attack was just about the best thing that could have happened for the Bush presidency.

My stomach is turning.

Lazarus, I live in a very conservative county in California, also. Where do you live? Can you list the counties in order of most conservative to most liberal? I think I'd like to move to a liberal one. :scared:
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Leftist78 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:15 PM
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35. Upstate SC
is where I'm from. The area is the most conservative part of a very conservative state. The local media treated Strom Thurmond's death like the passing of a great statesman. I did an article about his death for AlterNet (http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16277).

It gets hard sometimes. There are no organized progressive groups here, and if there were they'd have a hard time getting members. I always feel like I'm in the belly of the beast, and most of the time I hold my head high and wear my politics like a badge of reason, but sometimes it's hard to fight the same pointless battles with the same close-minded people all the time. It gets lonely sometimes.

Most of my extended family is racist, and my mother and stepfather are pretty apolitical. My family has always been poor, and that's probably what moved me the most toward the political direction I took. I've always been the one in the family who looks for answers. I still live in the same town as my parents, and I still try to show them how things work in the political realm. The good news is I've managed to make converts out of my 2 younger sisters.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:49 PM
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38. I'm sorry for your troubles
My family is something of a mixed bag politically, but virtually all of them are more conservative than I am. One sister-in-law simply hates the Clintons and thinks Bush is basically a moral person (!). Yet she's pro-choice and basically moderate to liberal.

One brother is more or less libertarian, another listens to G. Gordon Liddy (no comment), and the third seems to have gotten over his flirtation with the Republican Party. My sister appears to be pretty conversative but I blame that on the area of the country where she lives.

At any rate, given the truly acrimonious political arguments that family members used to have when my father was alive, I've decided to tread lightly when it comes to politics when it comes to family and often when it comes to friends. I don't want to alienate potential allies in the family, and the diehard types won't be easily converted.

The best suggestion I have for you is that you might want to cultivate friendships in your community in whatever way you can -- online; through classes; through the party, ADA, or PFAW, etc. Check out book signings, too, at your local bookstore. Possibly a progressive will come through and you'll be able to go with someone to the reading and signing, and thus be with like-minded individuals.

Good luck.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 06:02 PM
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40. I just let them know what I think.
My brother's brother-in-law is truck driver who listens to all those right wing talk shows on the radio across the country and is a Fox "News" fan, etc. A total bigot. He shouts out all that pro- Bush crap and bad mouths Hillary, the usual. Well, my wife and I went over to see my brother, and the asshole is there. He started his vomit about Bush. I said "I am a Democrat and have strong feelings about issues that you are talking about. Sorry, brother, we are not listening to this. I'll come back when he (the asshole) is not here." We left. To hell with it. I'm so fed up. I don't care any more. (My brother and his wife are OK with us leaving, they apologized for her brother).
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 06:17 PM
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41. most of the country is NOT right wing
The policies of the Democratic party win out over conservative policies by broad margins, in poll after poll.

About 25 percent of the country is right wing.

They just yell louder and make more trouble.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 06:31 PM
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42. ...and lie more.
Edited on Sun Aug-03-03 06:34 PM by Ladyhawk
I didn't know the election was basically stolen until fairly recently. My god! And the news media didn't say sh*t about it!!!!

Right now I'm reading Stupid White Men. When I got to the part about the Bushes' first cousin being the election reporter for Faux news, I nearly threw the book in anger...but I was in a restaurant and it is a library book so I couldn't afford to damage it. I wasn't angry with what was being said. I was angry at being lied to by the media and swallowing it for so long. If someone lies to me, that's the end. I never trust them again.

I reluctantly supported the war in Afghanistan, but when the American flags started popping up all over the nation and narry a person could be found that would criticize Bush about anything, I got suspicious. I thought back and remembered that the news media had basically blamed Clinton for 9-11...and he hadn't even been president for almost a year when it happened!!! I began to wonder if I was seeing a paradigm shift from liberal media to conservative media. Hell, yes!

I do believe the media was somewhat liberal at one time, but now they are unabashedly neo-conservative: a tin horn for the Shrub Administration. What is even worse is that most folks still believe that the news media is liberal, so if they're singing Shrubya's praises, he must really be a good president. Anyway, that's the type of thinking I'm running into here at home. To me, the "Bush Rules" propaganda seems so blatant I wonder why I didn't see it earlier.
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