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LawDem Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 02:58 PM
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What if Mel went to hell?
Edited on Fri Mar-12-04 02:59 PM by LawDem
A Poetic tribute to Mel Gibson

WHAT IF MEL WENT TO HELL?

What if Mel
Went to hell?
Ejected from the pearly gates
As punishment for his many hates.
"It's not fair," he would surely cry
"I'm to go to heaven, when I die.
"That is the deal that God made with me,
"When he asked me to make that snuff movie."
Saint Peter let out a sigh so sadly
Mel had missed the point so badly,
Saint Peter said
As he shook his head,
"Let me try hard to explain
"Though the words may cause you pain.
"God loves Jews, Christians and all others alike
"And to those who are bigots he says 'take a hike!'
"So I'm afraid, dear Mel, that Heaven's closed to you
"Which I know will likely make you feel quite blue.
"But please, Mel, try not to be too sad
"Because in truth the news really isn't that bad
"Because very soon you'll be seeing your dad!"














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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:00 PM
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1. Scourged!
Crucified!

Memorialized in poetry!

Hasn't He (Mel) suffered enough for the sins of Hollywood?

Verily?

--bkl
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:02 PM
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2. Some Place in The Bible, I Think
Some place in the Bible, I think, it has Jesus (or someone) saying, "Don't Judge Others, So that you yourself will be not judged".

While I am not Biblical scholar, I think what that means is that it is inappropriate to say (or even to suggest) that someone else is going to heaven or going to hell. I think one of the messages of the Bible is that only God knows the condition of someone's heart, and that is what really counts.

The thing I have against the Pat Robertsons and the Jerry Falwells of this world is that they like to judge others.

Let's not do it ourselves.

OK?
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DAWUSS Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:05 PM
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5. Judging is natural
We do it all the time. Every janitor isn't necessarily poor, yet we think they are...
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:18 PM
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10. But That Doesn't Make It RIght
When Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson says that I am going to hell because I am gay, that is, as I understand what Jerry and Pat believe, wrong. Only God can judge my heart, and neither Pat nor Jerry are God.

And when anyone says that I (or anyone else) is going to hell -- or to heaven, for that matter -- I find it both offensive and objectionable in the extreme.

It is that trait that folks like Jerry and Pat have to say -- or even imply -- that someone else (usually someone with whom thehy disagree) is goind to hell that I find most obnoxious about Jerry and Pat.

I am suggesting that we not turn ourselves into little versions of Pat and Jerry.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:02 PM
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3. Gibson
might be very wrong but only God and he knows what is in his heart. That's what matters to me.

"and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make"
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:04 PM
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4. The more you guys slam Gibson--
the more I am inclined to see his movie and support him, and most likely the same is true for the rest of America in this case.

I think these attacks are not justified. He has every right as a filmmaker, a christian and an American to make his movie.

You obviously have the same rights to attack the film and the filmmaker-- but it is my very humble opinion that you look very shallow in doing so.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:05 PM
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6. Bad taste
:thumbsdown:

While I'm not condoning Mel's movie, I'm not going to speculate about Heaven/Hell for anyone.
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:05 PM
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7. Ah, Mel LOVES torture
So he should love your poem. :-)

Excellent.

http://www.wgoeshome.com


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BradCKY Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:08 PM
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8. Poor Taste
There is a huge Anti-Christian sentiment on this board and its saddening. I see many just as intolerant as those they claim are intolerant. :(
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LawDem Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:16 PM
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9. Irony impaired?
No offense, but I find it hard to believe that anyone took this as offering an actual opinion on whether Mel Gibson is going to heaven. Gibson used the bible to offer a very conservative (both religiously and politically) interpretation of the Christian religion – and one with undeniable anti-Jewish overtones, whether or not intended. Mel can hardly complain if others use the same medium to poke fun at him.

Humor's dangerous. Maybe this missed, but take it for what it is.

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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:21 PM
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11. Not Impaired at all
The poem states -- pretty much as fact -- that Mel's dad will end up in hell. And it comes terribly close to saying that Mel won't be welcome in heaven either.

It seems to me that one can engage in a crtical review of any movie -- including Mel's -- without suggesting that the producer or director or any actor in it is going ot hell.

Doing so is only an exercise in the sort of judgmentalism that the Taliban engages in.
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LawDem Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:26 PM
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12. Irony
Irony --

"A sort of humor, ridicule, or light sarcasm, which adopts a mode of speech the meaning of which is contrary to the literal sense of the words."

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irony
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:50 PM
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13. I Am Always A Bit Troubled
I am always a bit troubled when someone, in defense of offensive or hurtful speech, says that he or she was merely being humorous.

The person who does this the most, of course, is none other than Rush Limbaugh who, when caught having said something terrible obnoxious, responds that he was only being humorous.

I am not accusing anyone here of doing what Rush Limbaugh does. But I do hope we never become like Rush L.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 04:12 PM
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15. Any Christian who espouses the "One Way" ideology
is, by definition, consigning everyone else to hell. It is easy to joke about hell and the belief in it's existence and efficacy, when you don't, yourself, believe in it. Just like I can make fun of someone who believes in flying saucers. Is it cruel to ridicule someone's beliefs? Yes, it is - so be careful how you talk about non-believers (that's my belief). :hi:
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 03:59 PM
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14. This does not fit that definition.
The subject matter of this poem (people going to hell) is not a laughing matter, no matter what sin you (a sinner as well) may think Mel Gibson has committed. Hell is not ridiculous nor is sarcasm concerning it light.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 04:22 PM
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16. It's funny if you don't belive it!
If it's just another scare tactic, it is kind of funny.
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