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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:41 PM
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If Congress were majority Democrat, would Bush be impeached?
on second thought, if Congress were majority Democrat - there very probably would NOT have been an invasion of Iraq based on manipulated intelligence...
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:44 PM
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1. sure where a lot of democrat votes on that legislation
so I don't think that holds water.

and no impeachment. sorry but there are no grounds.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:46 PM
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2. no grounds?
there is , I believe, room for some debate on that.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:53 PM
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7. perhaps
but if there were why didn't Kucinich initiate the process ?

noone in a position to act on this did.

apparantly, no grounds
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:18 PM
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16. The minority cannot initiate investigations
Any investigation has to be done by the Republicans as they are currently the majority. If the Democrats were to become the majority party you can bet the investigations would be many and I fully suspect grounds would be fopund for impeachment.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:12 PM
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13. Are you saying that....
lying to congress, the troops and the world to get us into a war is not a high crime and misdemeanor? Huh...if lying about a blow job is a high crime then I think this is as well!!!!!!!!!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:47 PM
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3. one would hope
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:49 PM
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4. There would be a real House investigation into Iraq WMDs
Depending on the findings, an impeachment would be a real possibility. I think there would be enough evidence of deceit to impeach him. He would never be convicted in the Senate.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:49 PM
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5. Perhaps,,, after a thorough investigation...
If there were intentional lies that led to the deaths of young Americans, I think that would rank right up there with a blow job...
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 04:51 PM
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6. I don't think so
Impeachment needs to be politically clear, and so far bushsucks* actions though extreme are still felt by too many as to be within the bounds of proprioty. This is good news for us Dems; when Kerry takes over he will be justified in using these same powers to work for good.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:01 PM
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8. Time paradox here.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-04 05:03 PM by Touchdown
If Democrats had a majority in congress, then 9/11 might not have happened, since they would've passed into law Clinton's strengthened airport security after Bush struck it down. He would've vetoed it, and they would've passed it anyway...so...

9/11 might not have happenedm, Bush would've not been so arrogant as to demand ANYTHING from Congress, much less a blank check on Iraq. Ashcroft would've never been appointed, so the Enabling Act would've never passed, and Pearle/Woflowitz would've been fired for warmongering without reason.

So no, they would have no reason to impeach him, since they would'nt have let him do the things he's done in reality. He would've been an ineffective steward of the country for 4 years, and went his merry way. We wouldn't be so pissed at him, the Repugs wouldn't be in such fear of terrorists under every rock, etc. The Dems will still win in 2004 since Chimpy's numbers are in the low 30s...mainly because he took 245 days of vacation.

But Cheney, for his secret energy meetings, the truth coming out of California would've blown the lid off of this, Enron would've still collapsed, and the North East power grid would've STILL gone into blackout, he would've been impeached. House Majority Leader Dennis Kucinich would've made sure of that, and also to make the public utilities...public again!

Alternate realities are fun!:D
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 05:06 PM
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9. yes
He gets a memo on August 6, 2001 telling him Al Queda is going to attack American airliners, rolls over and goes back to sleep without telling the FAA -- result: 3,000 dead in a preventable attack. And he keeps reading a story about a goat while the bodies burn (a detail which is apparently very upsetting to many 9-11 family members, since they always seem to mention it in their letters). If you can't impeach a so-called Commander-in-Chief for dereliction in a matter of this magnitude, when could you?

Also his involvement with Enron and letting Kenny Boy escape, the Plame matter, the WMD that were invented, all sorts of Halliburton kick-backs going to Cheney, it just goes on and on.

The whole administration should have been on trial and in prison two years ago.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:47 PM
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10. Your premise re: a dem. majority
would cancel out your statement about the vote on the resolution. If we had a clear majority, I assure you that things would not have gone down the way they did.:mad:

With the Dems in charge, the Congress could have and WOULD have provided more appropriate oversidht of the little intellegence, etc., etc., etc.!!!

Furthermore, you seem to assume that Dog Vomit's handling of the Iraq issue is the Only grounds for impeaching him.

He and his people have lied to Congress and the American people about much more than this. The medicare issue is just one of the more recent examples example.

Kerry is absolutely correct to stand by his liers and cheats comments.

The whole Facist crew is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors while in office.
:puke:

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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 06:54 PM
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11. eexcue me, Postman
In looking back at this thread I relize that I was replying to several posts at once. You were not the one that made the point about Dems. having voted for the resolution.:shrug:
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:09 PM
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12. Possibly, but the major difference is that there would be serious
Congressional hearings into several of the other crimes committed by the Bush administration that had nothing to do with the Bush invasion of Iraq or the War on Terra. Each of those investigations would have led to even more crimes being committed by the Bush administration as part of the cover-up. Whether any of those crimes would have reached critical mass politically to support impeachment probably is one of Rummy's "unknown unknowns" but it might be a "known unknown."
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:14 PM
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14. Maybe....
but remember it takes the media to give a story legs and this so-called "liberal" media did not give this story the legs it needed to turn into a full blon crisis. Now if you are talking about Clinton and lying us into war then you are talking...Clinton would be hung on national TV by the repubs and media!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:16 PM
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15. No. The Dems are too nice to impeach anybody
We need to start replacing the "nice" and "fair" dems in the primary's. We can replace them with "junkyard dogs" trained to eat Retugs without hesitation or thought.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-04 07:30 PM
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17. No. The Dems have mostly been quiet and meek, too damn scared
to make a stand.

Dean did change all that, so let's hope his influence was enough...
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