Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The size of the federal government decreased under Clinton...

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:20 PM
Original message
The size of the federal government decreased under Clinton...
and increased under Bush. is this true?

If so how do the people who claim the GOP is the party of smaller government counter this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:22 PM
Response to Original message
1. So I have read and the GOP is unhappy about it.
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
2. easy, BB
those are FACTS. Right wingnuts ignore FACTS.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. its true BUT..
almost all of it was the closings of useless military bases overseas..

on the domestic front, everything grew..about as much as it has grown under dubya
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. I believe Clinton did keep Gov from growing - beyond overseas base closing
Do you have that shows otherwise?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. I think government became leaner and more efficient
under VP Al Gore's Reinventing Government initiative.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 04:27 PM
Response to Original message
3. Now that's a bumpersticker
and an excellent way to get fence sitters who lean
conservative our way .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 05:19 PM
Response to Original message
7. That is my understanding as well
Clinton shrank the size of the federal govt., he reduced the numbers on welfare, placing limits to the length of time one can remain on welfare(five years I believe), he reduced , or rather fixed, the number of dependants one might claim for welfare payments, he balanced the budget and began to pay down the debt, he brought almost full employment as well.

Compare that record, one I consider as a moderate republican agenda, by the by,to the record of Georgie the lesser (less intellect, less common sense, less, less,less)...........
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
8. How does one measure the size of the federal government?
Since Kennedy was president, federal spending and the federal deficit (both in current dollars and as a percentage of GDP) always have increased more under republican presidents than under democratic presidents.
http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy2001/sheets/hist01z3.xls

(Note: The numbers for the first year of a president's term are from the budget of the preceding term. Also, the estimates for 2000-2005 no longer apply. There were surpluses in 2000 and 2001, and huge deficits now and forever.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 10:59 PM
Response to Original message
9. It is true with a yeah but ...
The federal government employed fewer people at the end of Clinton rather than at the beginning, but...

If you take away two numbers, the size of the government grew.

The two numbers were

the reductions in the military, including civilians working for it, which had more to do with the end of the Cold War and the "peace dividend" which Clinton really had nothing to do with, and

the dissolution of the RTC (the Resolution Trust Corp), which was the federal agency that was created to deal with the crisis of the Savings and Loans. It employed many people at its height5, but sunsetted itself into oblivion by law. All that was passed before Clinton took office, so he had nothing to do wth those job reductions either.

So, the answer is factually true. There were fewer federal workers after Clinton than before, but take away two things he didn't have anything to do with, and the answer would not have been the same.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 11:37 PM
Response to Original message
10. I think so...
...but it's not so much because of Clinton and Bush as it is because of the boom and the bust.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 03:00 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC