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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:55 PM
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OMG - Breaking - Bombs in Spain made in US
http://www.memes.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2516&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0


HOLD THE PRESSES) Go to www.instant-hell.com. According to MSNBC..feed from Madrid indicates an explosive called GOMA 2-ECO was responsible for the horrific blast on the commuter trains. Despite the best efforts of the US State Dept and the admirably loyal and misquided Spanish Govt...it is not very likely that Al-Aqaeda NOR the Basques were responsible. In fact...I think we need to do some quick look up on the Pentagon's Recent Shipments of GOMA 2-ECO to the South of France? UEE? FCC BEC!

In fact at www.instantel.com, there are dozens of dealers scattered throughout the World and every continent. Including 17 in the United States and one in Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Turkey and in Dubai (American Protectorates). The Spain blast STINKS of 9/11 but Al Qaeda did NOT bring us 9/11
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:58 PM
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1. Sloppy work. You'd think they's at least change the labels

Oh well, I guess imperialism means not having to bother with such things. Once you implode two large buildings on live TV and get 300 million people to go out and chant "evildoers who hate freedom," labels are probably just not on your radar anymore.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:58 PM
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2. did you copy. would love to see
puter isnt connecting tho
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shooga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:27 PM
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12. yeah right ... next you'll say made by "Halliburton" n/t
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 12:59 PM
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3. Who brought us 9-11-01 if not Al Qaeda?
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:07 PM
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7. With 1,000 posts
surely you've seen the info:

Our friends the BFEE, PNAC, the Caryle Group, etc., etc. - most of them sitting in our House.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:24 PM
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10. well , those are al quida allies, thus al quida!
:kick:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:24 PM
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11. well , those are al quida allies, thus al quida!
:kick:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:39 PM
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13. exactly--Al quaeda is merely the "suprise terror attack" wing of the
BFEE.

MIHOP. And blamed it on their in-house patsies, fronted by their former business partner, OBL, billionaire financier.

I think the Spain attack backfired on them. They wanted the electorate to flock to the "terror protection" of the conservative party. Instead the Spanish People recognized the lie they were being told by Bushie's buddies (that ETA did the attack) and tossed out the liars.

Democracy works, just not the way these crooks wish it would. That's why they have to fix all the elections they're in.

I hope we are lucky enough to do what Spain did and toss out the liars who misled us into war using their puppet boogeymen, Al Quaeda.
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:04 PM
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4. Components v. Final Product
While I am not making a judgement on overall responsibility for the bombings, using this as evidence of US gov't complicity is a little quick off the draw.

The planes that went into the WTC..where were they made? Washington State? Is Washington State therefore responsible for 9.11?

I'll follow this story closely, as we all should. But let's not get nuts.

(Ironically, in another thread I'm debating the opposite point...go figure, maybe I'm being beamed disinformation to propogate. Where's that damn tin-hat...)
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:06 PM
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5. Goma2/ECO is made in Spain too
What is puzzling is that so far all Goma2/ECO produced in Spain is accounted for (no quantities that amount to the approx 150 kilos used in the attacks are known to be stolen / "missing" over the past few years.)
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smallprint Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 02:05 PM
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17. that's what i read, too
this is from an article in the Guardian:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1168888,00.html


"Goma 2 ECO is only manufactured to order for specially licensed companies, most of them in the construction industry. It is transported from the factory near Burgos to its destination under Civil Guard escort and any that remains unused has to be returned to the factory, also under Civil Guard escort."

snip

"El Pais said traces were discovered in the van of the same explosive used in the knapsack bomb - Goma 2 ECO. This is a substance which ETA has used in the past. But for several years now, the Basque organisation has employed its stores of different explosive, Titadyne, robbed from a warehouse in France in 1999.

Two other details from the examinations of the knapsack bomb and the van have struck investigators as unusual. One is that the detonators in the knapsack bomb were made of copper, and not, as is usual with ETA, of aluminium. The other is that whoever used the van did not change its number plates, something that ETA always does. So was it al-Qaeda? "

snip

'Regardless of whether it was ETA or al-Qaeda,' said one investigator yesterday, 'the group responsible has departed from key elements of its normal operating method'.


thanks to the Guardian for putting out info that the other papers don't mention...
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:06 PM
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6. Article on Spain Prior Knowledge
http://www.infowars.com/print/Madrid/prior.htm

Starting to look familiar.......
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:11 PM
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8. So this might explain why right-wing groups opposed the use of tagents
in explosives to identify their origin...

Republicans deserve their share of the blame as well. After the Oklahoma City attack, President Clinton made an eminently sensible, if somewhat limited, set of recommendations to the GOP-dominated Congress. But, because the Oklahoma City terrorists were right-wing extremists, Republicans looked askance at reasonable ideas like permitting roving wiretaps on terror suspects--subsequently adopted when Mr. Bush proposed it--and attaching tagents to identify the origin of explosives.

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/Ldotvets/Bubba_99_5.html

Can't have those pesky tagents pointing the finger at who made them! Not good for covert right-wing terrorist campaigns!!!
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:18 PM
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9. kick
nt
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:42 PM
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14. At first, The Spanish government was trying to blame it on france.
Saying that ETA ripped off the explosives that were used in the bombs from the French.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:46 PM
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15. Blame it on France!?
Good grief. The heist by ETA of several thousand pounds of titadine (plus another big one pulled off by Breton spearatists, who subsequently sold a large portion to ETA and others) happened years ago! And they've used that stuff in many bomb attacks.

"Blaming it on France" - what have you been smoking? Spanish government is happy that the French are cooperating!

Government was hellbent on pinning it on ETA, in spite of knowing better. And that's why they were thrown out.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 01:53 PM
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16. Tin Foil Hat conspiracy club house?

Sorry, but the link to www.instant-hell.com does not work, and the explosive used is manufactured in Spain and in many places around the world.

I do not see what the link is here to the US government.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 02:07 PM
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18. they killed the link?
it's not working.....i've already stated boldly that the 'nazi's' were behind the spain attacks on another forum, and if i could post something.....
item: in all the talk about terrorism, no one mentions international law....fact is, 30 years ago there were significantly more terror incidences (one per week globally) then now....in the '80's, 65000 algerians weere murdered by islamic crazies, often for crime of listening to rock music or wearing western dress- no one cared much and the horrors never made the front pages. The reason is that the interest of the bfee, surely the most vile evil since nazism, were allied with the crazies. if international law was strengthened, and terror seen as plain old lawbreaking, then a global police entity could be formed.....which the US, Britain, Israel and of course the crazies, would not like at all....
how adults can talk about things yet ignore the most obvious solution....defies logic.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-04 02:50 PM
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19. Interesting Article
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html'

JackBlood.com

From 9-11 to 3-11 - How the Madrid Attack is connected to Al-Qaeda, Bush, and the Pentagon Israeli Lobby

The strategic interests behind the ‘debut appearance of Al-Qaeda’ in Europe

IAR Noticias, Argentina

www.iarnoticias.com

Translated by Mario Andrade

3-14-4







The recent bloody attack in Madrid is scripted right out of a global strategy of international terrorism, whose objectives and main goals originate outside the borders of Spain. In fact, the objectives come directly from the White House, particularly from the group of strategists and consultants working for Bush, known as the Pentagon Israeli lobby.

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