Outraged about American rapes of American soldiers

Why isn't the news more outraged about our own American women who are putting their lives on hold and lives on the line only to be raped by American men in uniform? Why isn't Bush holding press conferences about that?

What is Bu$h doing about the raping of our American women in Iraq? Would he dare to compare that with the same rape rooms in Iraq? Has Bu$h held a press conference about how he will NOT tolerate raping of our own soldiers and forcing those women to stay in the same camps of their rapist? Why isn't Kerry calling the "compassionate" president elect out...Kerry really needs to start talking about these things...Bu$h is Commander and Chief, and his military is raping our American female soldiers. I wonder if they get the morning after pill. Why isn’t Kerry pointing out rape isn’t okay in Iraq, but it’s just fine as long as it’s under an American tent?

The hypocrisy is mind-boggling to me.

<very-bitter-sarcasm>Well, those women look mighty fine in those BDU's... they must have been asking for it.</very-bitter-sarcasm>

Remember the rape of the 12-year old schoolgirl in Okinawa in 1995? Ever visit a military town in the US -- let alone the town surrounding a base in Korea or Japan? They are ALL centered around strip clubs and whorehouses.

Ever read up on the extreme sexual abuse that took place among Japanese soldiers in WWII?

Sexual abuse is a natural part of militarism, the two go hand-in-hand. I hope you're not expecting any of these politicians to denounce it, because it would mean that they would have to denounce the very nature of militarism itself?

it rings a dark truth to it.

need to claim their manhood in the whorehouses. And yes, the whorehouses in Panama were along the border between Panama and the Canal Zone so that the Americans could slip in and slip out easily.

Homosexuals are not acceptable in the U.S. military because everyone KNOWS they can't keep their hands to themselves. Why, some of these very same heterosexual RAPISTS might even be propositioned by one of them......

Raping our women is OK, but the POSSIBILITY making a homosexual advance toward one of those RAPISTS is enough to keep good, Patriotic, moral people out.

DAMN HYPOCRITES!

Edited to add: Besides, Clinton's penis made the rape of American Servicewomen A-OK!

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and it's horrifying

After reading the Alternet.org article on Chalmers Johnson. I started reading "Blowback", and it's quite amazing the way in which Johnson's conclusions have evolved over the years. I'm going to read "Sorrows of Empire" right after I get done with this one.

RichM was discussing a talk he saw Johnson give a short time back in one of yesterday's threads. He said that Johnson believed that the predictions he makes in "Sorrows of Empire" are pretty much inevitable -- that all we can really do is brace ourselves. :scared:

And its real... I get stomach acid reading his book. It explains
what they've been doing behind the curtain of lies these past 3
years, oh dear...!

We'd be very interested your thoughts on that on this thread
for that book (chalmers: sorrows of empire) in the meeting room:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=111x19786

but then again so are the misogynists will show up in this thread any minute now saying the soldiers are falsely crying rape because they don't want to serve in Iraq.

just has to be. could never be the males responsibility.

telling you though, sittin on this board and listening to people speak about all our rights to have the smut and porn and how it is healthy and ok and not only accessible for adults, should be welcomed for children, and all parents are prude, we the people are creating this for our boys and girls.

not that we want to take responsibility. adn hey what do i know, i am just a parent raising two boys, that is going to be dating others daughters.

this is a clear indication of where our society is as a whole. and we chose to ignore and dismiss

did you get the idea that people here advocate porn for children?
please get some theraputic help! you read far, far too much into people advocating something for their very adult eyes.

or do you not have kids. cause i didnt have kids til i was 32 so wasnt an issue, didnt have a clue had no interest in observing. but to simply dismiss me, ah how easy that is. we are creating our girls to embrace being sluts, (though we say they are getting to explore their sexuality) and we are creating boys to want their girls being sluts

that will be until they get married and have kids. then the self absorbed mom doesnt work

our boys are not just raping in the military. they are raping in dates, they are drugging girls, they feel they have the right to do what they want with girls, and we allow

i think it would be more productive to figure why our boys feel they have the right to rape our daughters.

i suggest that we create this, owning our part as adults so we can help the kids along to figure out this isnt the best of answers

easy to just confine it to the military, where testostrone is pumped and desensitizing male so they can kill without conscious. yet we are doing the same for our children in our culture

We are treated to happy happy men dancing in the street after what one can only imagine to be a successful bout of intercourse made possible by erection pill commercials. And we see graphic demonstrations of feminine hygiene products,and pills to poop, and pills to stop poop. We see a drug foe every purpose; feel good pills; feel bad pills. And (Warning) seek medical attention if erection lasts more than four hours.

Point here is main stream cooperate for profit sex and body function is put before each of us day in and day out. I have a mental image of a young 180 and his girl friend sitting watching the first TV programs years ago with her family and be presented with a "Period" commercial. We all would have been embarrassed to tears.

Main stream presentations such as these must tell our children "It is okay, there is even a pill for it."

IMHO.

180

you have an anxiety attack, not sleeping at nite, sleeping too much pills. the schools wanted to label add and pills for son, and told them we have to do the work to figure his lewarning style and how to work with his issue not in excuses. and patient we have to be, yet giving it to son to strengthen this weakness.

not to mention women having orgasms while washing hair, the coors commercial, an almost naked boob twin gal crawling on snow ground, humping earth licking lips and puckering for what, towards the camera, to shoot off to a room of young guys jumping up cheering for her to come thru the camera for what.....

i walked into conveince store to a rack of magazines and the top row was porn magazines with strips of brown paper wrapped around the breast, women in sexual poses. the many days i walked into this store for about four years, my eyes first contact was this row of naked women. not that i gave it much thought. not my thing. then one day i walked in holding my two year old boy, right at that level, adn noticed my 5 year old son was right at that level and thinking all the boys and girls that opened this door were immediately greeted with these women. that is conditioning

another time walk into another store with 11 year old niece. and there on the counter selling some pill, energy pill that will get you horney, and a woman, huge hips no waist and boobs out to timbukto and long legs spread, ah just a cartoon. i have my niece look at that, right were i am paying and say geez people, why dont we just stop even trying with our girls, just let them all be sluts, what our society is conditioning, lets not even bother teaching morality anymore

and i am not talking religious morality

i think it was someone on board or bill moyer that say religion interfers with morality.

i am talking let our children experience their sexuality, in a natural way, in a healthy not fed way of perversion. let them do their kissing and petty with each other, and their crushes and their sorrows and sadness and their passion and excitement

i am simply asking society to stay out of my kids sexual exploration, it isnt mine to do, and it isnt janet jackson of this world to do, or larry flint

so we can say that we keep porn from the children, but that isnt a truth. we feed it to the kids

and there are a lot more examples, just look around your world, thru the eyes of children

the new commercial for tampons wrappers being silent? HELLO girls...there's nothing shameful or secret about being on your period. Since when did the noise of a tampon wrapper make a difference to young girls? Marketers are saying be ashamed of a natural part of your body..ARG...I say, make some noise about this subversive stupidity.

Good luck with your two boys, they can be difficult. And for goodness sakes, please, please warn them of the dangers of carrots, candles, and swimming pools before they hit their teenage years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,1168173,00.html

http://www.freewebs.com/reverendbeastly/guts.htm

mutation for women became the ability to impregnate the man by
pushing the ovum up his penis to his balls and innoculating
him with hormones via a spider-like stinger.

Then it would be the men getting pregnant and losing their balls
with each rape. That might change the behaviours quite a bit.

The hypocrisy is indeed mind boggling.

swung so far in the direction of "anything goes" explicit sex

Now my fear is that it will swing toward Puritanism We are after all a society of extremes

I don't see the same kinds of problems taking place in Europe when I visited. Maybe I was just blind to it or a month wasn't enough time to fully realize it, but I still didnt' see the same things happening.

IMHO, the big problem isn't the sex that is pushed on us as much as the VIOLENCE. You can see soft-porn on network TV in Holland at 11PM -- but you will NEVER see anything CLOSE to the violence that pervades our airwaves even during afterschool hours.

Couple this with the way in which sex is used in advertising everything -- and yet we are a nation steeped in puritanism when it comes to sex. They use sex to sell things in Europe -- but it doesn't seem to have the same effect because sex is viewed as a natural part of human existence as opposed to some evil urge that needs to be repressed.

Our media links sex and violence in some very unhealthy ways though

there is so much playing with the body on tv in europe that many people are just taking the tv's out of house. i dont think, from what i hear europe can be held up, though many do. whatever though, cause i dont know. i do agree that it has a lot to do with the violence. so with you on that. so many of the cartoons the kids get, the faces are angry, or they are stupid. the cowardly dog, spongebob........i tell boys, if it is a show that is angry faces all the time, not a smile to be seen, or a show where they honor stupidness it is not a show we watch. they get it.

show after show after show the last couple decades is to rape women mutilate women, i asked my husband once, what part of this is entertainment to women. i sit and watch time and again a woman being raped, mutilated, every sick thing done to her, and it is represented to me as entertainment. where is the entertainment in that for me.

and absolutely on the puritan guilt mix they have in that. i was raised in california teenager in 70's and a swimmer all my life. i wore those see thru lycra swimsutits day in and out, we never wore clothes. we werent prudes and didnt feel embarrassment in nakedness. i want my kids to have the freedom in their bodies too,. i now live in baptist community and i see the guilt religion gives them and the sin and the feeding of it. and i see these people that have such obsession on it are more perverted than any on the left in an odd kinda way. something i am giving my friends, when they talk their insecurities, well look at the guilt you feel, look at how you beat self up, how you so see the sinner you and your fear in it

i still think all this is easy as pie though.

Use capital letters. They are your friend, and they make your posts much more legible to those who might be reading them.

the way your posts are now they're like a run-on sentence without end and trying to decipher what exactly you're trying to say makes my head hurt not that I mind thinking so much but sometimes it's a little too much know what I mean or am I not explaining this well enough?

See what I mean?

that was so clear to me. i read it three times to find the confusion. and i wasnt confused at all. yup

but you are right on. and i have tried to express here, this is why so many people are moving to the republican party. so many say how can they, with what this party represents, they do looking for some of this excess not being thrown in their kids face. being able to raise children in an healthier enviroment. it has to be. we can look at our kids and see what a mess they are, not a hard one to figure out.

i would like to say here, i am not worried about my boys, i pay attention to what is up, and if they are fed any of this we talk it, what it makes you feel, what the conditioning is in it, and whatever you do, dont let society tell you who you are. they will be ok. this is not about me, or my children or my husband or my family. we are balanced. i told my boys the ole pendulum has swung so to the extreme i am seeing by the time they are in their late teens, things are going to be in balance, will be a good time for them to be there.

it is not a matter for laws or government to do

i refuse to accept that.

it is ours, the adults responsibility to be aware of and teach our children and not pretend this isnt happening.

i think the greatest lesson bush has given us the last couple years is the knowledge that it cannot be a religious president dictating behavior. we the people have to own the responsibility

you're disturbed by baptists and guilt, permissiveness in television and apparently in other's private lives. accused people here of throwing porn in the faces of children -- and dismissed the very apt observation of irate citizen that other people see a good deal of nudity and sex and do not go off the deep end.
this thread began with concern and official concern at that about service men raping service women -- not about silent tampon commercials and the hidden threats implied there.
and trust me, whether or not i have children, my concerns about sex and teaching them would not reach your level of anxiety. i would consider that distinctly unhealthy.

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