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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 01:55 PM
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More discussion on New Conservative leadership race (Canada)
There was a thread last night, but I can find it.

I say Clement will win because the Conserv-types are always looking for a new face because their policies can't win them elections. Plus Clement is supposedly the one who can win in Ontario, which is all the NCs care about.

Belinda is...well she's Belinda.

ANd Harper has been the "who's that guy" leader of the party.

Either way we will be up against an asshole.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 02:13 PM
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1. Well, i don't know...
Edited on Sat Mar-20-04 02:13 PM by Canuckistanian
This is going to be a shooting match between Alberta and Ontario. Whoever gets the most votes out, Alberta for Harper, or Ontario for Clement, that's the real battle. But Stronach is the wild card and maybe the spoiler.
I heard on The House this morning about some Conservative voters in Brockville, ON, and they were disgusted at the prospect of Harper getting in. Some said they would get out of politics altogether or <gasp> vote Liberal!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 02:15 PM
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2. Ha!
Like it makes a difference who they vote for. Thank god the NC are going to lose half their seats .
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 02:16 PM
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3. I find it hard to believe that
this merger of the alliance and the conservatives is going to work. Their constituencies and values are so far apart.

It seems their only hope would be a total implosion of the Liberals...

But since Liberals move rightward, what's the chance of the NDP become the major opposition party? Especially if the Conservatives self destruct?
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 02:18 PM
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4. How would Clement win?
Last time I checked, he had about 9% support vs. about 50% for Harper and about 30-something percent for Stronach. How do you think Clement can translate that into a win?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 02:21 PM
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5. Well, I don't trust polls.
But I think the Ontario vote will come up big for him. I also know many of the NC Mps in my area are pushing for him because he can win in Ontario.
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 02:35 PM
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7. Clement is from Ontario
but he can't win Ontario.

If Mike Harris is supporting Belinda over one his common sense revolution colleagues. that says something. Clement is a lightweight, uninspiring dweeb, (who incidentally stated once when he was a junior cabinet minister that he felt Ontario was TOO reliant on public transportation) WTF?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 03:29 PM
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8. Whaaa?
Mike Harris endorsed Belinda? Not his own boy, Thin Tony?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 04:12 PM
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9. Mike Harris was just taking his marching orders from Mulroney...
and he owns Belinda, she was his front.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 02:53 PM
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15. Wasn't Mikey sitting beside Belinda at the convention?
He was on the verge of tears when the results came in. That says a lot about the CPC in Ontario, and their chances.
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 10:25 AM
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13. old news now, but this isn't LBN
Harris was robo-calling for Belinda and was seated next to her at the convention.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 02:30 PM
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6. Latest news update is...
Very heavy turnout in Ontario, Maritimes and the West. Could be interesting! It looks like the same old East vs West re the Alliance.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 04:26 PM
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10. Kim Campbell was on Bill Mahar's show just a couple weeks ago
and she was awesome. I don't know if there is another one of those in the NC ranks but if there is that is who they should go to. I have no idea why she had such a crushing defeat but she sounded sensible and intelligent on Mahar.
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gula Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 04:54 PM
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11. Heard her in an interview on CBC a while ago and
I was impressed. She really sounded good, i.e. intelligent and knowledgable.

I think a lot of her problems were being at the wrong place at the wrong time on top of being a women. But also, the new Conservatives are really a continuation of the Alliance and have very little, if any. resemblance to the old Progressive Conservatives.
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gula Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:01 PM
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12. At 17:00 it's: 48% Harper, 42% Stronach
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 11:22 AM
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14. What if they threw a Party and no one came...
Thankfully the Tory nonsense is over...

Reading between the lines, I suspect they will do even worst than their supporters suggest...

Why?
They had a historic 'alliance' of two major parties? In fact it was a western separatist party that took the name of a party that was already pushing up the daisies...
Inspite of this, in the entire country not a single high-profile conservative ran...
The results of the three leaders can be had here a tory central with regional breakdowns: http://www.conservative.ca/display.asp?doc_id=64

They elected their incumbent leader and it is obvious that the other two were in the race to make it a race...simply legitimize their party.

Is this my opinion? Well it is the majority opinion of the Tories themselves..."Across Canada, 92,500 Conservatives voted, 37 per cent of those eligible."
This speaks volumes...either the Tories really don't have as many members as they are stating or nobody, even their own member could care less...

Basically Conversatives thought their own leadership race was a joke...



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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 02:54 PM
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16. Turnout totally sucked. Out of 275,000 members, how many know
that they're members?
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